Re: [Oberon] NO still lives a little bit
Hello Duke and others, for me the personal pages of Jan and Niklaus are sources of deep inspiration. Their accounts of computer life read like novels. They give us hope for a less complicated world where man is master of desktop. And for everything else...indeed there is Belgian beer ans Swiss chocolate. Salut, Frans-Pieter
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Frans-Pieter Vonck wrote:
Hello Frans-Pieter ...
Jan Verhoeven and I are trying to find out which oberon compiler is best for learning basic programming skills. He is looking into obc and I'm checking out NO on linux. Jan made a page on the gcd yesterday. http://verhoeven272.nl/cgi-bin/FS?fruttenboel%2Fobc&The+obc+Oberon+compiler&Top&triples&Content
Oh NO! You _know_ Jan V.? You're in _big_ trouble now! Interpol has been looking for him for some time now. He likes nothing better than to go to Belgium and drink that good (and cheap?) beer they are famous for. There has been talk that he brings some back home in his laptop cases - 5 or 6 of them - which all have BIG Mocka stickers on them. The cops think that he is a coffee mfg representative. You hang around _him_ too long, and it's more than Oberon and Modula that you will be in trouble with. ;D maybe Les May can confirm that? I should go on Google Maps, and plot where the Oberon hackers are concentrated. I bet that there's a pile of trouble in the Low Countries and the U.K. :) Of course those guys in Switzerland and Germany, they all have had _too much_ Lowenbrau, a long time ago. They just stare at their computer screens and ask, "WTF happened?" ;D
Seriously, for me it's a close race between "obc" and "oo2c". These two compilers will work on almost all platforms. LNO is nice - but you're stuck _in_ LNO. Learning Oberon in LNO, is learning to program LNO - that's it! that's all! It's nice if you want to extend LNO - which is cool too, if LNO satisfies all your needs.
POW is also very nice on XP - but I almost never boot into my XP partition. I therefore have _zero_ security problems, etc. Too bad POW is not available on *nix. BTW, Donald Daniel does a great job with his great tutorial for Oberon, a la oo2c:
http://www.waltzballs.org/other/prog.html -- Duke
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Frans-Pieter Vonck wrote:
Hello Duke and others,
for me the personal pages of Jan and Niklaus are sources of deep inspiration. Their accounts of computer life read like novels. They give us hope for a less complicated world where man is master of desktop. And for everything else...indeed there is Belgian beer ans Swiss chocolate.
I too enjoy reading Jan personal webpages, and can relate with his programming journeys. I too prefer an umcomplicated, simple computing environment. That's why I prefer the Unix CLI, whenever possible. I pretty much "live" within emacs. I use Al(Pine) as my MUA of choice, instead of a GUI client. I also use RMAIL within emacs. Having said that, there are scenarios where a GUI is worth its weight in gold, and I don't shrink from it. It's great that Oberon can be enjoyed in both environments. Swiss chocolate I already have experienced. Jan introduced me to two brands of Belgium beer. A Flemish friend here in my home town, totally agrees with Jan being very good beer. So now I have to find some locally. :) BTW, I enjoy a mailing list that is noy always too serious; where we all can have a chat and a chuckle every once in a while. -- Duke
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