Chris, Edgar & others, cg> ... all playing with 'visual effects' and using MS connectivity. FWIIW every system I connect to the Internet is Debian Linux or Oberon. cg> ... ease of maintainability. That is why I spent a few weeks studying the PPP protocols and many hours improving the logging facilities in Oberon PPP. Several tasks continue, with DNS negotiation being the most significant. cg> ... MS patented authentication (vs. CHAP, PAP) which some ISPs use. Apathy facilitates domination. The best antidote to this and similar predicaments is our work to keep Oberon/AOS viable. You know the cliche, "hang in there". Regards, P. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/