Re: [Oberon] Programming Editor
Aubrey McIntosh wrote:
Can some kind soul provide a Tool (or name some existing ones) that have a few relevant commands for the { Edit Compile } Store cycle?
I got no reply to the same questions. Eth 'insiders' are obviously hiding the good stuff from us. I recently revisited 1980's DOS Turbo-Pascal Edit/Compile/Store facilities - much more productive than what I have to use with S3.
John M. Drake wrote:
First of all I'm in no way an ETH "insider" yet I'm very much aware of the tools ET and PET. ET is available from the Applications.Tool that comes installed with EVERY S3 implementation! PET can be downloaded from Oberon PUBLIC FTP site:
ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/ETHOberon/Contrib/Pet/
That being said I rarely use PET or ET. I find the default tools sufficient and FAR BETTER than TP for DOS! I use TextPopups.Tool (again it's available to all) to navigate my source code.
I skipped this because: * It doesn't open clean with Edit.Open - All *.Tool which don't need 'hot links' should run under the minimum system * Desktops.OpenDoc TextPopups.Tool doesn't word-wrap and overflows the VGA 80 char width of the UserTrak. There should be a spec. for *.Tool width, which is complied with. * It reads:"..when clicking outside the text." 1. n-o doesn't "click"; Microsoft does. 2. outside the text" was not understood.
With 2 mouse clicks I can immediately jump to any procedure or type defined in the module I'm working on.
I don't have leisure to browse, surf or try applications which have doubtful usefulness; so I appreciate your description what TextPopups.Tool can do. { That's the point that I was trying to make to Peter Easthope: his donated pointers from having 'gone ahead' are cost effective contributions to those who come behind.}
Tools.OpenMod lets me jump directly to procedures defined in other modules, provided that the module name isn't aliased.
That seems marvelous. I have no Tools.OpenMod ?!!
When programming under S3 I usually have the the Programming.Tool open in the system track so that I have direct access to the Watson and Builder tools.
I have no Programming.Tool . Watson is in my <personal>.Tool and Popup would provide all the Builder.<commands> ? Please tell more about Tools.OpenMod . -------- With your description of what TextPopups.Tool can do, I spent time to discover: 1. Edit.Open type files are not handled. 2. "clicking outside the text" means: 'in a Desktops.OpenDoc type text, hold down MM (1.5 secs. seems a long time - definitely not a 'click'), in an area free of 'visible' text (spaces qualify). But still for my version alpha?beta 2001:- * SYS:TGZ.Mod > Compiler.Compile * == compiling TGZ 1940 == OK. * Devlp:CRGtrace.Mod > popupMenu == writes to System.Log: "pos 11981 err 3 illegal character in string" without any menu selection !! Yet <mark> Compiler.Compile * writes: "compiling CRGtrace (in use) 2016". So Compiler.Compile * via the popupMenu has a problem, with a source which Compiler.Compile * from the mouse compiles/runs. I.e. the popupMenu writes an 'err 3' *before* any selection for this particular source. Then when I introduce an error, popupMenu > Builder.NextError does'nt show it, but instead leaves a red arrow at the chosen location of "clicking outside the text". It's interesting that the deficiency in the edit/compile/save tools is rectified by a 'gotcha' which has the main features of TP for DOS. But I think TP stacked the texts - not save/retieve files. When I pop the unsaved SYS:TGZ.Mod, my introduced error is lost. Of course the ability to pick PROCS and TYPES is great. But unless I can locate errors (as Edit.Locate can do) I can't use the TextPopups.Tool . -- Chris Glur.
--- eas-lab@absamail.co.za wrote:
Aubrey McIntosh wrote:
Can some kind soul provide a Tool (or name some existing ones) that have a few relevant commands for the { Edit Compile } Store cycle?
I got no reply to the same questions. Eth 'insiders' are obviously hiding the good stuff from us. I recently revisited 1980's DOS Turbo-Pascal Edit/Compile/Store facilities - much more productive than what I have to use with S3.
John M. Drake wrote:
First of all I'm in no way an ETH "insider" yet I'm very much aware of the tools ET and PET. ET is available from the Applications.Tool that comes installed with EVERY S3 implementation! PET can be downloaded from Oberon PUBLIC FTP site:
ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/ETHOberon/Contrib/Pet/
That being said I rarely use PET or ET. I find the default tools sufficient and FAR BETTER than TP for DOS! I use TextPopups.Tool (again it's available to all) to navigate my source code.
I skipped this because: * It doesn't open clean with Edit.Open - All *.Tool which don't need 'hot links' should run under the minimum system
I use System 3 for Windows, so Gadgets support is the "minimum system". The latest release of BlueBottle loads the Oberon enviornment the same. (Default Gadgets support for text.)
* Desktops.OpenDoc TextPopups.Tool doesn't word-wrap and overflows the VGA 80 char width of the UserTrak. There should be a spec. for
I'm not sure what system you're using. My system has far more than 80 charecters in the user track. Perhaps you meant the "system track".
*.Tool width, which is complied with. * It reads:"..when clicking outside the text." 1. n-o doesn't "click"; Microsoft does.
N-O does click. Unless you have some new mouse that doesn't have any buttons there is a click. The doc was referring to the "action click" or middle mouse click.
2. outside the text" was not understood.
It means that you click on some area of the frame where there is no text. For example at the end of a line past the "newline" charecter. It's really easy once you've experimented with in for a couple of minutes.
With 2 mouse clicks I can immediately jump to any procedure or type defined in the module I'm working on.
I don't have leisure to browse, surf or try applications which have doubtful usefulness; so I appreciate your description what TextPopups.Tool can do. { That's the point that I was trying to make to Peter Easthope: his donated pointers from having 'gone ahead' are cost effective contributions to those who come behind.}
Maybe we need a Wiki.
Tools.OpenMod lets me jump directly to procedures defined in other modules, provided that the module name isn't aliased.
That seems marvelous. I have no Tools.OpenMod ?!!
Again that's an S3 for Windows feature. And again it's like that in the latest BlueBottle build.
When programming under S3 I usually have the the Programming.Tool open in the system track so that I have direct access to the Watson and Builder tools.
I have no Programming.Tool . Watson is in my <personal>.Tool and Popup would provide all the Builder.<commands> ?
That's correct.
Please tell more about Tools.OpenMod . --------
With your description of what TextPopups.Tool can do, I spent time to discover: 1. Edit.Open type files are not handled. 2. "clicking outside the text" means: 'in a Desktops.OpenDoc type text, hold down MM (1.5 secs. seems a long time - definitely not a 'click'), in an area free of 'visible' text (spaces qualify).
In the Windows version 2.4 it's a click. In the Windows 2.3 version there is a known problem that causes certain graphical operations to be slower than they should. I don't know if this is the same problem under Native Oberon. It doesn't seem to be a problem under the latest BlueBottle release.
But still for my version alpha?beta 2001:-
* SYS:TGZ.Mod > Compiler.Compile * == compiling TGZ 1940 == OK.
* Devlp:CRGtrace.Mod > popupMenu == writes to System.Log: "pos 11981 err 3 illegal character in string" without any menu selection !! Yet <mark> Compiler.Compile * writes: "compiling CRGtrace (in use) 2016".
So Compiler.Compile * via the popupMenu has a problem, with a source which Compiler.Compile * from the mouse compiles/runs. I.e. the popupMenu writes an 'err 3' *before* any selection for this particular source.
Then when I introduce an error, popupMenu > Builder.NextError does'nt show it, but instead leaves a red arrow at the chosen location of "clicking outside the text".
It's interesting that the deficiency in the edit/compile/save tools is rectified by a 'gotcha' which has the main features of TP for DOS. But I think TP stacked the texts - not save/retieve files. When I pop the unsaved SYS:TGZ.Mod, my introduced error is lost.
Of course the ability to pick PROCS and TYPES is great. But unless I can locate errors (as Edit.Locate can do) I can't use the TextPopups.Tool .
-- Chris Glur.
I haven't had any of the problems you describe. Perhaps you should try BlueBottle. Or perhaps you should configure your Native Oberon system to use Gadgets by default. Regards, John M. Drake __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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