Dear Patrick Thanks for your examples. I have thought a bit more about it and think that since I want to attach a model gadget to a panel I will extend JM's Reminder system for the basic idea, but, and this is the crucial point I think I missed, extend the normal Gadgets.AttrMsg to allow longer strings. This will mean, I think, that Columbus can no longer read/write the SQL statement (unless it is 63 or fewer characters in length), but then I might as well have a specialist panel for handling my Data* models and views. Can you, or anyone else, see a problem with this? John Stout --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 13/04/2004