Global font change on OLR
Dear All, I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one? With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
Dear Srinivas, I recommend you do yourself a favour and follow the advice that Bob Walkden gave you a couple of days ago: read Martin Reiser's book "The Oberon System - User Guide and Programmers Manual". I can't imagine how many hours Reiser must have spent working on that book to help people like yourself to use the system. You cannot hope to do anything except scratch the surface unless you study it (not just speed-read it) from end to end as there are a significant number of novel concepts that you wouldn't even dream of asking questions about. However, if you prefer to learn by experimentation, trial and error you can still get good use out of the book as a reference. It has a good Table of Contents and an Index that you can use for that purpose. Regards, Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.astrobe.com
-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 8:48 PM To: ETH Oberon and related systems Subject: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
Dear Chris, I am grateful for your quick help. Following your help, I found System.ChangeFont, which changes the font globally. Hope you implicitly referred me this. Dear Members, Looks like, seeing many more simple/silly questions from me, all the senior members in this list are irritated/bored of me. I apologize and beg your pardon. Here are my feelings. It is never the case that I don't want to study or trying to learn things of my own. But sometimes I feel, I miss some points and hence that arises as a doubt. Also I don't implicitly complain that, good texts on the topic are absent, or already some members answered to a similar questions earlier. But at times, I might have skipped them unintentionally or forgot. Not sure how members long associated with ETH and Oberon feel, but to me Oberon is still little difficult. May be that is due to my long time active acquaintance with Windows/Linux. I have some knowledge how to use GUI of Windows and CLI of Linux. But still, Oberon is a little challenge to me, though it has GUI/CLI both. I have seen people, who don't even know "C" of Computers, navigate and do many magics in Windows. I don't think I am able to do similarly in Oberon. In Linux, one simply goes to google and search for a command, reads the man page and done. I haven't seen such a facility here for Oberon. Again, these are not my complain against Oberon. I understand that Oberon is Oberon and not meant to be Windows and Linux. It has its own beauty and simplicity, but may be not the way common man thinks of. That is why I am here and still love Oberon, at least for its ability to offer GUI within a fraction of a floppy disk size. May be, a long time association with Oberon and developing programs within it for years, has raisen you all to a point, where things are at your finger tips. But I don't think I have acquired a fraction of such a experience, in last 4-5 years of my acquaintance with Oberon. So faults are mine, and I too feel that some times my questions are too simple. Regarding the books/papers... It is true that we have everything in literature, but to get desired information at the desired moment, one has to master or remember all the stuff from the books/papers. Again this comes by re-reading and practical experimentation which takes a little time. At the same time, (I feel) to ease the things a bit more, and to lessen the the time to get the desired information, we have forums/groups, where we get a friend circle where we can ask questions and get answers from friends in a minute which takes at least 5 minutes to get it from book. I feel, this is (though not whole, at least one of) the idea behind forums/groups. So sometimes I feel to ask in forums, even though I have a simple question, rather than having an ego of self-taught-professor (who likes finding answer of his own, spending days, but not asking others for the fear of loosing self esteem). Again, sincerely, these are not my excuses for asking silly questions, but the way I see it. In case our forum doesn't believe in this, it is again my fault and excuse me. Here I present the flow of my thoughts, to show how my recent doubt arised. This is never to express that "so, I was right to ask such a doubt", but rather to express the fact that "here is how I fall into trap and so asked for help". I would like to not to cite exact page number or section number of a book/paper here, for that may create a feeling that, thought I deny explicitly, implicitly I like to express my ego in lines of "so, I was right to ask such a doubt". I wanted to change the font size globally so that it would be easy to read the code inside Oberon. I vividly remember that there is somewhere I had read about changing font. So a command for changing font must be there somewhere explicitly with such a name. I went on to Tools in a hope that all available commands of Oberon are available in some Tools. [Not sure by thinking so I am right or wrong.] I found one in System Tool, Script.ChangeFont. Immediately I clicked it! To be frank, I didn't even care to check, what this does. To my luck, nothing happened. :-( Observing the command name, I thought this command may be for changing the font of System.Text which I opened using Script.Open. Anyway, when nothing happened, I was not worried. Because if it would have worked also, (I thought,) it would only change the font of the Script opened. But I need to change the font of Oberon itself. So I proceed to look for some other Changefont command somewhere else. One more I found in Edit Tool; Edit.ChangeFont and System.SetFont. Name says System.SetFont is the one I am looking for. Immediately I clicked it! Again Nothing happened. :-( Good. Time to think little more. Why it doesn't work? I remember, somewhere I read, Oberon prefers to present machine states visible than to keep things hidden. Here I am dealing with fonts; this is a visible stuff. But why nothing is visible? Why then Oberon announces so...if nothing is visible, neither the action taken nor the error made! Now time to open the books... after failed for twice or thrice. I opened my books. Found that, it says, click the command, after that if you type anything anywhere, it will be with a bigger font! Good. Is it that why I am not seeing anything? Being curious, I typed something in System.Log. Wow, big fonts appeared! But I am not happy this time even. I wanted to see each character on my display of Oberon screen to be bigger. So now, how to do that? I didn't find any more clue from my head. :-( Being hopeless, I thought, it would be better to ask rather than more trial and error! Sorry for a long mail. If at least one member cares to read this so far, I shall be happy. If he extends his helping hand, I shall be grateful. With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/02/2016 04:54 PM, Chris Burrows wrote:
Dear Srinivas,
I recommend you do yourself a favour and follow the advice that Bob Walkden gave you a couple of days ago: read Martin Reiser's book "The Oberon System - User Guide and Programmers Manual". I can't imagine how many hours Reiser must have spent working on that book to help people like yourself to use the system. You cannot hope to do anything except scratch the surface unless you study it (not just speed-read it) from end to end as there are a significant number of novel concepts that you wouldn't even dream of asking questions about.
However, if you prefer to learn by experimentation, trial and error you can still get good use out of the book as a reference. It has a good Table of Contents and an Index that you can use for that purpose.
Regards, Chris Burrows
CFB Software http://www.astrobe.com
-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 8:48 PM To: ETH Oberon and related systems Subject: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
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One of the features that attracted me to Oberon (on the SPARC station) was the ability to change the size of the font when reading documents, unchanged, from read only media. As Chris has pointed out, these sorts of details are available when you study the book. On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Chris,
I am grateful for your quick help. Following your help, I found System.ChangeFont, which changes the font globally. Hope you implicitly referred me this.
Dear Members,
Looks like, seeing many more simple/silly questions from me, all the senior members in this list are irritated/bored of me. I apologize and beg your pardon.
Here are my feelings.
It is never the case that I don't want to study or trying to learn things of my own. But sometimes I feel, I miss some points and hence that arises as a doubt. Also I don't implicitly complain that, good texts on the topic are absent, or already some members answered to a similar questions earlier. But at times, I might have skipped them unintentionally or forgot.
Not sure how members long associated with ETH and Oberon feel, but to me Oberon is still little difficult. May be that is due to my long time active acquaintance with Windows/Linux. I have some knowledge how to use GUI of Windows and CLI of Linux. But still, Oberon is a little challenge to me, though it has GUI/CLI both. I have seen people, who don't even know "C" of Computers, navigate and do many magics in Windows. I don't think I am able to do similarly in Oberon. In Linux, one simply goes to google and search for a command, reads the man page and done. I haven't seen such a facility here for Oberon. Again, these are not my complain against Oberon. I understand that Oberon is Oberon and not meant to be Windows and Linux. It has its own beauty and simplicity, but may be not the way common man thinks of. That is why I am here and still love Oberon, at least for its ability to offer GUI within a fraction of a floppy disk size.
May be, a long time association with Oberon and developing programs within it for years, has raisen you all to a point, where things are at your finger tips. But I don't think I have acquired a fraction of such a experience, in last 4-5 years of my acquaintance with Oberon. So faults are mine, and I too feel that some times my questions are too simple.
Regarding the books/papers... It is true that we have everything in literature, but to get desired information at the desired moment, one has to master or remember all the stuff from the books/papers. Again this comes by re-reading and practical experimentation which takes a little time. At the same time, (I feel) to ease the things a bit more, and to lessen the the time to get the desired information, we have forums/groups, where we get a friend circle where we can ask questions and get answers from friends in a minute which takes at least 5 minutes to get it from book. I feel, this is (though not whole, at least one of) the idea behind forums/groups. So sometimes I feel to ask in forums, even though I have a simple question, rather than having an ego of self-taught-professor (who likes finding answer of his own, spending days, but not asking others for the fear of loosing self esteem). Again, sincerely, these are not my excuses for asking silly questions, but the way I see it. In case our forum doesn't believe in this, it is again my fault and excuse me.
Here I present the flow of my thoughts, to show how my recent doubt arised. This is never to express that "so, I was right to ask such a doubt", but rather to express the fact that "here is how I fall into trap and so asked for help". I would like to not to cite exact page number or section number of a book/paper here, for that may create a feeling that, thought I deny explicitly, implicitly I like to express my ego in lines of "so, I was right to ask such a doubt".
I wanted to change the font size globally so that it would be easy to read the code inside Oberon. I vividly remember that there is somewhere I had read about changing font. So a command for changing font must be there somewhere explicitly with such a name. I went on to Tools in a hope that all available commands of Oberon are available in some Tools. [Not sure by thinking so I am right or wrong.] I found one in System Tool, Script.ChangeFont. Immediately I clicked it! To be frank, I didn't even care to check, what this does. To my luck, nothing happened. :-( Observing the command name, I thought this command may be for changing the font of System.Text which I opened using Script.Open. Anyway, when nothing happened, I was not worried. Because if it would have worked also, (I thought,) it would only change the font of the Script opened. But I need to change the font of Oberon itself. So I proceed to look for some other Changefont command somewhere else. One more I found in Edit Tool; Edit.ChangeFont and System.SetFont. Name says System.SetFont is the one I am looking for. Immediately I clicked it! Again Nothing happened. :-( Good. Time to think little more. Why it doesn't work? I remember, somewhere I read, Oberon prefers to present machine states visible than to keep things hidden. Here I am dealing with fonts; this is a visible stuff. But why nothing is visible? Why then Oberon announces so...if nothing is visible, neither the action taken nor the error made! Now time to open the books... after failed for twice or thrice. I opened my books. Found that, it says, click the command, after that if you type anything anywhere, it will be with a bigger font! Good. Is it that why I am not seeing anything? Being curious, I typed something in System.Log. Wow, big fonts appeared! But I am not happy this time even. I wanted to see each character on my display of Oberon screen to be bigger. So now, how to do that? I didn't find any more clue from my head. :-( Being hopeless, I thought, it would be better to ask rather than more trial and error!
Sorry for a long mail. If at least one member cares to read this so far, I shall be happy. If he extends his helping hand, I shall be grateful.
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/02/2016 04:54 PM, Chris Burrows wrote:
Dear Srinivas,
I recommend you do yourself a favour and follow the advice that Bob Walkden gave you a couple of days ago: read Martin Reiser's book "The Oberon System - User Guide and Programmers Manual". I can't imagine how many hours Reiser must have spent working on that book to help people like yourself to use the system. You cannot hope to do anything except scratch the surface unless you study it (not just speed-read it) from end to end as there are a significant number of novel concepts that you wouldn't even dream of asking questions about.
However, if you prefer to learn by experimentation, trial and error you can still get good use out of the book as a reference. It has a good Table of Contents and an Index that you can use for that purpose.
Regards, Chris Burrows
CFB Software http://www.astrobe.com
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Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
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-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Saturday, 2 April, 2016 4:03 PM To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR ont Dear Chris,
I am grateful for your quick help. Following your help, I found System.ChangeFont, which changes the font globally. Hope you implicitly referred me this.
Dear Members,
Looks like, seeing many more simple/silly questions from me, all the senior members in this list are irritated/bored of me. I apologize and beg your pardon.
Here are my feelings.
It is never the case that I don't want to study or trying to learn things of my own. But sometimes I feel, I miss some points and hence that arises as a doubt. Also I don't implicitly complain that, good texts on the topic are absent, or already some members answered to a similar questions earlier. But at times, I might have skipped them unintentionally or forgot.
Not sure how members long associated with ETH and Oberon feel, but to me Oberon is still little difficult. May be that is due to my long time active acquaintance with Windows/Linux. I have some knowledge how to use GUI of Windows and CLI of Linux. But still, Oberon is a little challenge to me, though it has GUI/CLI both. I have seen people, who don't even know "C" of Computers, navigate and do many magics in Windows. I don't think I am able to do similarly in Oberon. In Linux, one simply goes to google and search for a command, reads the man page and done. I haven't seen such a facility here for Oberon. Again, these are not my complain against Oberon. I understand that Oberon is Oberon and not meant to be Windows and Linux. It has its own beauty and simplicity, but may be not the way common man thinks of. That is why I am here and still love Oberon, at least for its ability to offer GUI within a fraction of a floppy disk size.
May be, a long time association with Oberon and developing programs within it for years, has raisen you all to a point, where things are at your finger tips. But I don't think I have acquired a fraction of such a experience, in last 4-5 years of my acquaintance with Oberon. So faults are mine, and I too feel that some times my questions are too simple.
Regarding the books/papers... It is true that we have everything in literature, but to get desired information at the desired moment, one has to master or remember all the stuff from the books/papers. Again this comes by re-reading and practical experimentation which takes a little time. At the same time, (I feel) to ease the things a bit more, and to lessen
time to get the desired information, we have forums/groups, where we get a friend circle where we can ask questions and get answers from friends in a minute which takes at least 5 minutes to get it from book. I feel, this is (though not whole, at least one of) the idea behind forums/groups. So sometimes I feel to ask in forums, even though I have a simple question, rather than having an ego of self-taught-professor (who likes finding answer of his own, spending days, but not asking others for the fear of loosing self esteem). Again, sincerely, these are not my excuses for asking silly questions, but
way I see it. In case our forum doesn't believe in this, it is again my fault and excuse me.
Here I present the flow of my thoughts, to show how my recent doubt arised. This is never to express that "so, I was right to ask such a doubt", but rather to express the fact that "here is how I fall into trap and so asked for help". I would like to not to cite exact page number or section number of a book/paper here, for that may create a feeling that, thought I deny explicitly, implicitly I like to express my ego in lines of "so, I was right to ask such a doubt".
I wanted to change the font size globally so that it would be easy to read
code inside Oberon. I vividly remember that there is somewhere I had read about changing font. So a command for changing font must be there somewhere explicitly with such a name. I went on to Tools in a hope that all available commands of Oberon are available in some Tools. [Not sure by thinking so I am right or wrong.] I found one in System Tool, Script.ChangeFont. Immediately I clicked it! To be frank, I didn't even care to check, what
does. To my luck, nothing happened. :-( Observing the command name, I thought this command may be for changing the font of System.Text which I opened using Script.Open. Anyway, when nothing happened, I was not worried. Because if it would have worked also, (I thought,) it would only change
font of the Script opened. But I need to change the font of Oberon itself. So I proceed to look for some other Changefont command somewhere else. One more I found in Edit Tool; Edit.ChangeFont and System.SetFont. Name says System.SetFont is the one I am looking for. Immediately I clicked it! Again Nothing happened. :-( Good. Time to think little more. Why it doesn't work? I remember, somewhere I read, Oberon prefers to present machine states visible than to keep things hidden. Here I am dealing with fonts; this is a visible stuff. But why nothing is visible? Why then Oberon announces so...if nothing is visible, neither the action taken nor the error made! Now time to open the books... after failed for twice or thrice. I opened my books. Found that, it says, click the command, after that if you type anything anywhere, it will be with a bigger font! Good. Is it that why I am not seeing anything? Being curious, I typed something in System.Log. Wow, big fonts appeared! But I am not happy this time even. I wanted to see each character on my display of Oberon screen to be bigger. So now, how to do that? I didn't find any more clue from my head. :-( Being hopeless, I thought, it would be better to ask rather than more trial and error!
Sorry for a long mail. If at least one member cares to read this so far, I shall be happy. If he extends his helping hand, I shall be grateful.
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/02/2016 04:54 PM, Chris Burrows wrote:
Dear Srinivas,
I recommend you do yourself a favour and follow the advice that Bob Walkden gave you a couple of days ago: read Martin Reiser's book "The Oberon System - User Guide and Programmers Manual". I can't imagine how many hours Reiser must have spent working on that book to help people like yourself to use the system. You cannot hope to do anything except scratch the surface unless you study it (not just speed-read it) from end to end as there are a significant number of novel concepts that you wouldn't even dream of asking questions about.
However, if you prefer to learn by experimentation, trial and error you can still get good use out of the book as a reference. It has a good Table of Contents and an Index that you can use for that purpose.
Regards, Chris Burrows
CFB Software http://www.astrobe.com
-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 8:48 PM To: ETH Oberon and related systems Subject: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch <mailto:Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch> mailing
The commands in the Edit tool operate on documents in the user track. Select a stretch of text in the user track, select one of the font names in Edit.Tool, execute Edit.ChangeFont. Oberon changes the font of the select document text to the selected font. This is also how word processors and other text editors which support fonts work, by and large. For example, in Outlook, which I am using now, if I want to change the font of this text I select it, click a dropdown menu in the ribbon, and choose one of the fonts from the list. One thing that modern text editors have that Oberon doesn't (as far as I know - I don't know all the versions) is the notion of a stylesheet and semantic mark-up. The system could probably be extended quite straightforwardly though, if somebody wanted to make the effort, by introducing a new text element type and a Styles module. I don't think anybody minds you asking questions, it's that we think you will make more progress, more quickly, by going straight to the source where you will gain some understanding of the fundamentals very quickly. Speaking for myself, it feels as if you are fumbling in the dark, and we are telling you where the light-switch is. You are however quite correct that Oberon doesn't always live up to its promises with respect to visible state. In its defence I say that this is probably true of every system I have ever known, but it is generally better in this regard than most. You also have to consider that when you compare Oberon with Linux or any of the other major OSes, you are comparing a system which has a user base probably numbering in the hundreds worldwide, against user bases of hundreds of thousands, if not millions. However, the equivalent information of the man pages is available, and we are telling you where to find it. The tool concept in Oberon is a brilliantly simple way of dealing with things that are over-complicated in other OSes - I only really appreciated how over-complex they were when I started to learn Oberon. I recently designed the wire-frames for some browser-hosted software at work, heavily influenced by the Oberon tool style (albeit non-editable). As standard procedure a half-day's training course was set up for the users, but they finished it in 5 minutes because everything was clear, visible and obvious. The disadvantage, career-wise, is that everybody else thinks afterwards that you miraculously get all the easy stuff to do. B the the the the this the list for ETH Oberon and related
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Dear Bob and Others,
I dont think anybody minds you asking questions, its that we think you will make more progress, more quickly, by going straight to the sourcewhere you will gain some understanding of the fundamentals very quickly. Speaking for myself, it feels as if you are fumbling in the dark, and we are telling you where the light-switch is.
I understand my mistake. Also, I feel, I should have re-read the books. Nevertheless, I am grateful, for you all tolerating me and still helping out. True that, hit and trial is not the way to lightened path, but only wastes time. But again, hit and trial is the easiest devil, that carries away me time to time. :-( With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 12:19 AM, Bob Walkden wrote:
The commands in the Edit tool operate on documents in the user track. Select a stretch of text in the user track, select one of the font names in Edit.Tool, execute Edit.ChangeFont.Oberon changes the font of the select document text to the selected font.
This is also how word processors and other text editors which support fonts work, by and large. For example, in Outlook, which I am using now, if I want to change the font ofthis textI select it, click a dropdown menu in the ribbon, and choose one of the fonts from the list.
One thing that modern text editors have that Oberon doesn't (as far as I know - I don't know all the versions) is the notion of a stylesheet and semantic mark-up. The system couldprobablybe extendedquite straightforwardlythough, if somebody wanted to make the effort, by introducing anew text element typeand a Styles module.
I dont think anybody minds you asking questions, its that we think you will make more progress, more quickly, by going straight to the sourcewhere you will gain some understanding of the fundamentals very quickly. Speaking for myself, it feels as if you are fumbling in the dark, and we are telling you where the light-switch is.
You are however quite correct that Oberon doesnt always live up to its promises with respect to visible state. In itsdefence I say that this is probably true of every system I have ever known, but it is generally better in this regard than most.You also have to consider that when you compare Oberon with Linux or any of the other major OSes,you are comparing a system which has a user base probably numbering in the hundreds worldwide,againstuser bases ofhundreds of thousands, if not millions. However, the equivalent information of the man pages is available, and we are telling you where to find it.
The tool concept in Oberon is a brilliantly simple way of dealing with things that are over-complicated in other OSes I only really appreciated how over-complex they were when I started to learn Oberon. I recently designed the wire-frames for somebrowser-hostedsoftware at work,heavily influenced bythe Oberon tool style (albeit non-editable).As standard procedure ahalf-days training course was set up for the users, but they finished it in 5 minutes because everything was clear, visible and obvious. The disadvantage, career-wise, is that everybody else thinks afterwards that youmiraculouslyget all the easy stuff to do.
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Dear Chris,
I am grateful for your quick help.
Following your help, I found System.ChangeFont, which changes the font
globally.
Hope you implicitly referred me this.
Dear Members,
Looks like, seeing many more simple/silly questions from me, all the senior
members in this list are irritated/bored of me.
I apologize and beg your pardon.
Here are my feelings.
It is never the case that I don't want to study or trying to learn things of my
own.
But sometimes I feel, I miss some points and hence that arises as a doubt.
Also I don't implicitly complain that, good texts on the topic are absent, or
already some members answered to a similar questions earlier.
But at times, I might have skipped them unintentionally or forgot.
Not sure how members long associated with ETH and Oberon feel, but to me
Oberon is still little difficult.
May be that is due to my long time active acquaintance with Windows/Linux.
I have some knowledge how to use GUI of Windows and CLI of Linux.
But still, Oberon is a little challenge to me, though it has GUI/CLI both.
I have seen people, who don't even know "C" of Computers, navigate and do
many magics in Windows.
I don't think I am able to do similarly in Oberon.
In Linux, one simply goes to google and search for a command, reads the
man page and done.
I haven't seen such a facility here for Oberon.
Again, these are not my complain against Oberon.
I understand that Oberon is Oberon and not meant to be Windows and
Linux.
It has its own beauty and simplicity, but may be not the way common man
thinks of.
That is why I am here and still love Oberon, at least for its ability to offer GUI
within a fraction of a floppy disk size.
May be, a long time association with Oberon and developing programs within
it for years, has raisen you all to a point, where things are at your finger tips.
But I don't think I have acquired a fraction of such a experience, in last 4-5
years of my acquaintance with Oberon.
So faults are mine, and I too feel that some times my questions are too
simple.
Regarding the books/papers...
It is true that we have everything in literature, but to get desired information
at the desired moment, one has to master or remember all the stuff from
the books/papers.
Again this comes by re-reading and practical experimentation which takes a
little time.
At the same time, (I feel) to ease the things a bit more, and to lessen the the
time to get the desired information, we have forums/groups, where we get
a friend circle where we can ask questions and get answers from friends in a
minute which takes at least 5 minutes to get it from book.
I feel, this is (though not whole, at least one of) the idea behind
forums/groups.
So sometimes I feel to ask in forums, even though I have a simple question,
rather than having an ego of self-taught-professor (who likes finding answer
of his own, spending days, but not asking others for the fear of loosing self
esteem).
Again, sincerely, these are not my excuses for asking silly questions, but the
way I see it.
In case our forum doesn't believe in this, it is again my fault and excuse me.
Here I present the flow of my thoughts, to show how my recent doubt
arised.
This is never to express that "so, I was right to ask such a doubt", but rather
to express the fact that "here is how I fall into trap and so asked for help".
I would like to not to cite exact page number or section number of a
book/paper here, for that may create a feeling that, thought I deny explicitly,
implicitly I like to express my ego in lines of "so, I was right to ask such a
doubt".
I wanted to change the font size globally so that it would be easy to read the
code inside Oberon.
I vividly remember that there is somewhere I had read about changing font.
So a command for changing font must be there somewhere explicitly with
such a name.
I went on to Tools in a hope that all available commands of Oberon are
available in some Tools.
[Not sure by thinking so I am right or wrong.] I found one in System Tool,
Script.ChangeFont.
Immediately I clicked it! To be frank, I didn't even care to check, what this
does.
To my luck, nothing happened. :-(
Observing the command name, I thought this command may be for changing
the font of System.Text which I opened using Script.Open.
Anyway, when nothing happened, I was not worried.
Because if it would have worked also, (I thought,) it would only change the
font of the Script opened.
But I need to change the font of Oberon itself.
So I proceed to look for some other Changefont command somewhere else.
One more I found in Edit Tool; Edit.ChangeFont and System.SetFont.
Name says System.SetFont is the one I am looking for.
Immediately I clicked it! Again Nothing happened. :-( Good. Time to think
little more. Why it doesn't work?
I remember, somewhere I read, Oberon prefers to present machine states
visible than to keep things hidden.
Here I am dealing with fonts; this is a visible stuff. But why nothing is visible?
Why then Oberon announces so...if nothing is visible, neither the action
taken nor the error made!
Now time to open the books... after failed for twice or thrice.
I opened my books. Found that, it says, click the command, after that if you
type anything anywhere, it will be with a bigger font! Good.
Is it that why I am not seeing anything?
Being curious, I typed something in System.Log. Wow, big fonts appeared!
But I am not happy this time even.
I wanted to see each character on my display of Oberon screen to be bigger.
So now, how to do that?
I didn't find any more clue from my head. :-( Being hopeless, I thought, it
would be better to ask rather than more trial and error!
Sorry for a long mail.
If at least one member cares to read this so far, I shall be happy.
If he extends his helping hand, I shall be grateful.
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Srinivas Nayak
On 04/02/2016 04:54 PM, Chris Burrows wrote:
Dear Srinivas,
I recommend you do yourself a favour and follow the advice that Bob
Walkden gave you a couple of days ago: read Martin Reiser's book "The
Oberon System
- User Guide and Programmers Manual". I can't imagine how many hours
Reiser must have spent working on that book to help people like
yourself to use the system. You cannot hope to do anything except
scratch the surface unless you study it (not just speed-read it) from
end to end as there are a significant number of novel concepts that
you wouldn't even dream of asking questions about.
However, if you prefer to learn by experimentation, trial and error
you can still get good use out of the book as a reference. It has a
good Table of Contents and an Index that you can use for that purpose.
Regards,
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
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Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 8:48 PM
To: ETH Oberon and related systems
Subject: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux.
I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small.
How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Srinivas Nayak
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Understood. For future reference if you refine your question and *summarise* why you are asking the question there is less chance that somebody like me might misunderstand what you are asking for. Then you might have a better chance of receiving the sort of response you hope for. There is a good article called "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" here: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I have rephrased / simplified your question below to what I believe are the essential parts so that somebody may be able to help you better. Apologies if I omitted any crucial part. It seems to me now that what you are really asking for is how to change the screen resolution not the font size. Is that correct? If you just changed the default system font size only the text would be modified. Pictures etc. would still be small. Cheers, Chris
-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2016 1:33 AM To: ETH Oberon and related systems Subject: Re: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
I wanted to change the font size globally so that it would be easy to read the code inside Oberon. I found in Edit Tool; Edit.ChangeFont and System.SetFont. Name says System.SetFont is the one I am looking for. Immediately I clicked it! Nothing happened.
I opened my books. Found that, it says, click the command, after that if you type anything anywhere, it will be with a bigger font! Being curious, I typed something in System.Log. Wow, big fonts appeared! But I am not happy this time even. I wanted to see each character on my display of Oberon screen to be bigger. So now, how to do that?
Dear Chris, I am thankful for your time spent reading my plea. Now your rephrased question is much better. As you said, if changing screen resolution everything on screen becomes bigger, I will be happy. How can I do that? Also, is there any helping hand to answer Chris' rephrased question? With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 04:45 AM, Chris Burrows wrote:
Understood. For future reference if you refine your question and *summarise* why you are asking the question there is less chance that somebody like me might misunderstand what you are asking for. Then you might have a better chance of receiving the sort of response you hope for. There is a good article called "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" here:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I have rephrased / simplified your question below to what I believe are the essential parts so that somebody may be able to help you better. Apologies if I omitted any crucial part.
It seems to me now that what you are really asking for is how to change the screen resolution not the font size. Is that correct? If you just changed the default system font size only the text would be modified. Pictures etc. would still be small.
Cheers, Chris
-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2016 1:33 AM To: ETH Oberon and related systems Subject: Re: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
I wanted to change the font size globally so that it would be easy to read the code inside Oberon. I found in Edit Tool; Edit.ChangeFont and System.SetFont. Name says System.SetFont is the one I am looking for. Immediately I clicked it! Nothing happened.
I opened my books. Found that, it says, click the command, after that if you type anything anywhere, it will be with a bigger font! Being curious, I typed something in System.Log. Wow, big fonts appeared! But I am not happy this time even. I wanted to see each character on my display of Oberon screen to be bigger. So now, how to do that?
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Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes. Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~" With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed. Regards, Peter
Dear Peter, I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-( I like your trick of renaming a font file. That looks promising. I will try this once. Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+) But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read! Don't you all suffer from small fonts? How did you adapted your Oberons? With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
Regards, Peter -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
-----Original Message----- From: Oberon [mailto:oberon-bounces@lists.inf.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Srinivas Nayak Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2016 12:46 PM To: ETH Oberon and related systems Subject: Re: [Oberon] Global font change on OLR
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+) But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts? How did you adapted your Oberons?
I am running ETH PlugIn Oberon for Windows 2.5 using the recommended resolution for my monitor of 1920 x 1080. It is a 24" monitor so is quite readable (albeit with my glasses on!). The great advantage is that I can see 80 lines of program source all at the same time. I just experimented and changed the Windows Screen Resolution using Control Panel to 1024 x 768 and the Oberon Window zoomed proportionately. I could then read the text without my glasses but could only view 50 lines at a time. I'll stick with higher resolution ... Regards, Chris CFB Software http://www.astrobe.com/RISC5
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon. Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
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Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OHEIGHT 700 ~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OWIDTH 1000 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-16 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-32 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=600-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon I tried all these. I see some changes due to the negative value. The window starts at some offset from left hand side. But no changes in window size! Am I doing wrong? With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
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Thanks for the information. Environment variables here don't work as they should. ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800 OHEIGHT=600 ./oberon should work. Regards, Peter Am 03.04.2016 um 16:41 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OHEIGHT 700 ~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OWIDTH 1000 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-16 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-32 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=600-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon
I tried all these. I see some changes due to the negative value. The window starts at some offset from left hand side. But no changes in window size!
Am I doing wrong?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
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No Peter, No luck this time even! The window size doesn't change at all. :-( With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 09:13 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Thanks for the information. Environment variables here don't work as they should.
~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800 OHEIGHT=600 ./oberon
should work.
Regards, Peter
Am 03.04.2016 um 16:41 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OHEIGHT 700 ~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OWIDTH 1000 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-16 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-32 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=600-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon
I tried all these. I see some changes due to the negative value. The window starts at some offset from left hand side. But no changes in window size!
Am I doing wrong?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
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Correction: Environment variables work as they should. You have to export them before they are used for child processes: $export OWIDTH=800 OHEIGHT=600 $./oberon works. Am 03.04.2016 um 17:43 schrieb Peter Matthias:
Thanks for the information. Environment variables here don't work as they should.
~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800 OHEIGHT=600 ./oberon
should work.
Regards, Peter
Am 03.04.2016 um 16:41 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OHEIGHT 700 ~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OWIDTH 1000 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-16 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-32 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=600-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon
I tried all these. I see some changes due to the negative value. The window starts at some offset from left hand side. But no changes in window size!
Am I doing wrong?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
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Dear Peter, Many thanks for your help. It is a new learning for me on Linux. As you said, it is ./olx that is responsible for Oberon window. Not ./oberon. I observed this while trying to kill Oberon window, which once, was not going away even though there was ./oberon not running. :-) Ctrl+C was not able to kill Oberon window. With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/04/2016 02:13 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Correction: Environment variables work as they should.
You have to export them before they are used for child processes:
$export OWIDTH=800 OHEIGHT=600 $./oberon
works.
Am 03.04.2016 um 17:43 schrieb Peter Matthias:
Thanks for the information. Environment variables here don't work as they should.
~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800 OHEIGHT=600 ./oberon
should work.
Regards, Peter
Am 03.04.2016 um 16:41 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OHEIGHT 700 ~/spot/OLR/olr# echo $OWIDTH 1000 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-16 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-32 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=1024-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=768-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon ~/spot/OLR/olr# OWIDTH=800-10 ~/spot/OLR/olr# OHEIGHT=600-5 ~/spot/OLR/olr# ./oberon
I tried all these. I see some changes due to the negative value. The window starts at some offset from left hand side. But no changes in window size!
Am I doing wrong?
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak: > Dear All, > > I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. > I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. > How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
Regards, Peter -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
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Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
Changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling worked! This controlled Oberon OS window size in OLR. Renaming Oberon 20 font to 10 also worked! This controlled Oberon default font size. Now I see big characters. Easy to read. With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
Regards, Peter -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
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Ahhh. Now you have tasted the power. On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured
via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
Changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling worked! This controlled Oberon OS window size in OLR. Renaming Oberon 20 font to 10 also worked! This controlled Oberon default font size. Now I see big characters. Easy to read.
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as
NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
Regards, Peter -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
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Aubrey, This is my first time source code change and compile! Truly awesome experience. Compilation is too fast. I couldn't believe at first. When I rebooted Oberon and saw the changes, my mouth opened. I thought, "so fast?". With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 11:43 PM, Aubrey.McIntosh@Alumni.UTexas.Net wrote:
Ahhh. Now you have tasted the power.
On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001@gmail.com <mailto:sinu.nayak2001@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Peter,
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
Changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling worked! This controlled Oberon OS window size in OLR. Renaming Oberon 20 font to 10 also worked! This controlled Oberon default font size. Now I see big characters. Easy to read.
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 06:40 PM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 03.04.2016 um 05:16 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear Peter,
I am worried if a solution to my problem is difficult to achieve. :-(
Oberon misses some years of development...
Another surprising thing is that, right now I have OLR as well as NO alpha installed on Virtualbox. NO on vbox has resolution of 800*600, configured to vesa 2.0 mode 800*600*8. OLR is bigger than that. Don't know how to check the resolution. (looks like it is 1000+ * 800+)
Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT. Negative values are relative to screen size. Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
But in both the Oberon, I see small fonts, hard to read!
Don't you all suffer from small fonts?
I don't (yet) suffer from it. But that might come soon.
Regards, Peter
On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
Regards, Peter -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch <mailto:Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch> mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
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From PeterMatthias at web.de Sun Apr 3 15:10:31 2016 Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT.
(1280-16) means the window is 1264 pixels wide. Not 1280 pixels wide at 16 pixels offset.
Negative values are relative to screen size.
OWIDTH=-80 means 80% of screen width?
Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
Appears the window is located by Left :=0; ... Bottom :=0; in the body of Display. Change and recompile to shift the window. FWIIW, https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11/Starting_Programs#Specifying_wind... describes a convention which would make OWIDTH and OHEIGHT unnecessary. The offsets can be useful with your 4K device. Regards, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca
Am 11.08.2016 um 19:50 schrieb peter@easthope.ca:
From PeterMatthias at web.de Sun Apr 3 15:10:31 2016 Default display size of OLR is (1280-16)x(1024-32). This can be configured via environment variables OWIDTH and OHEIGHT.
(1280-16) means the window is 1264 pixels wide. Not 1280 pixels wide at 16 pixels offset.
Negative values are relative to screen size.
OWIDTH=-80 means 80% of screen width?
No. That means screen width -80 pixel.
Or by changing the constants defaultWidth and defaultHeight inside OLR.Display.Mod and recompiling.
Appears the window is located by Left :=0; ... Bottom :=0; in the body of Display. Change and recompile to shift the window.
For me, the windows open on free space on the screen. Which is where I am comfortable with.
FWIIW, https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11/Starting_Programs#Specifying_wind... describes a convention which would make OWIDTH and OHEIGHT unnecessary. The offsets can be useful with your 4K device.
This conventions uses libX11 which lacks in OLR. Regards, Peter
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
This worked. I see things with bigger font. Now easy to read. I renamed Oberon 20 font to 10! However, the Oberon window size is so big that I miss the bottom portion of Oberon display. :-( With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/ On 04/03/2016 01:07 AM, Peter Matthias wrote:
Am 02.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Srinivas Nayak:
Dear All,
I found OLR easier to use while I am on Linux. I think the font size of OLR Oberon is small. How can I change the font size to a bigger one?
Oberon hast the fond, including it's size stored in the text. So there is no easy way to change size for existing text. For new text, you can make a new line in the System section of Oberon.Text (e.g. below TimeDiff line) with DefaultFont = "Oberon14.Scn.Fnt". However, the textual system has some problems with non standard Font sizes.
Maybe the easiest way would be to rename the font files like "System.RenameFiles Oberon10.Scn.Fnt => Oberon8.Snc.Fnt ~"
With the appearance of Retina displays, a general solution is needed.
Regards, Peter -- Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon
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