June 2002 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

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by Ghost in the Machine 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

Hello All - Total newbie here. No background in Pascal nor Modula2. I've installed Eth Oberon System 3 Native within a single DOS file (loopback?) and have installed both Apps1 and App2 plus Doc.Arc and Tutorials.Arc. onto my Compaq DeskPro XE 560 Pentium 5 60mhz, 16 meg of memory, 850 meg IDE hard drive with 24x CD romdrive. My video card is an old ATI "All in Wonder" with only 500k memory installed which max's out at 800x600 for other OS. Oberon will only allow me 640x480x4. :-\ On my Compaq Presario with Cirrus Logic video I can do 1024x768 but the text is so small on my little 15" monitor I can barely see it. At 800x600 some of the toolbar(?) header buttons are offscreen. I'm guessing Oberon developers have larger monitors and have no problems with 1024x768? I've noticed that further development has moved to "BlueBottle" (whatever that is all about) which requires a minimum of hardware I do not presently have available for Oberon. Hoping this won't be a "bottleneck" (pun inteneded). When I execute the installed Oberon System 3 native and try to configure the CD drive I see a note that I cannot use the ATA IDE driver for the CD drive if I am using ATA IDE for the hard drive. AFAIK the CD is not going to be accessed in this version of Oberon which means the CD-audio player is kaput. When I try to look at the system files directory I get zip even after typing in "*.Mod" or "*.Text". In Gadgets using the popup I get files listings but then clicking on the .Search button allows me no way to add search terms. Same with Grep from Gadgets. In short, I can't see what files I have, can't search file listings or within displayed files, which really leaves me as a spectator here. Any suggestions? Charles.Angelich DOS the Ghost in the Machine! http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/

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n-o: Display, CD ..etc.
by cglur＠onwe.co.za 30 Jun '02

30 Jun '02

cangelich(a)famvid.com wrote: > I've installed Eth Oberon System 3 Native within a single DOS > file (loopback?) Is this DOSbased native oberon Ver 2.3.6 ? As far as I know the latest 'stable' version. > On my Compaq Presario with Cirrus Logic video I can do 1024x768 but > the text is so small on my little 15" monitor I can barely see it. > At 800x600 some of the toolbar(?) header buttons are offscreen. > I'm guessing Oberon developers have larger monitors and have > no problems with 1024x768? I've installed on a small note-book (Compaq Aero 486, 4Mb ram) and several pcs, without considering pixel-stuff. Just selecting VGA does it. Under linux (X) the n-o 'screen overflows' the physical VDU, but can be moved into focus - annoying, but useful for some tasks. But perhaps this is an X-setting thing ? > When I try to look at the system files directory I get zip even after typing in > "*.Mod" > or "*.Text". In Gadgets using the popup I get files listings but then clicking > on the ..Search button allows me no way to add search terms. > Same with Grep from Gadgets. "zip" is a reserved word in computing. n-o works with 'tools' and the mouse. Little need for keystrokes. Once I 'borrowed' the keyboard for an adjacent project and didn't notice that it was missing for the next '100 km'. The first time n-o starts it gives a default tool, in the RHS 'System Track'. As you progress, you will want to customise this tool for your own liking. I use different colours and fonts (which also serve as my palette to modify colour and fonts of any text, which I chose to modify). Your 'default tool' should have someting like this:----------- System.Directory ^ *.Tool *.Text *.Pict *.Scn.Fnt *.Graph *.Mod *.Obj *.Sym *.Bak *.Arc ---------------------------------- To see the dir. of *.Mod , do: 1. Select (Right-Mouse) the argument: *.Mod 2. Activate (Mid-mouse) the command: System.Directory ^ which means list the dir. of the 'selected argument'. Obviously selecting " * " will specify 'all files' as being the argument. > In Gadgets using the popup I get files listings but then clicking on the > ..Search button allows me no way to add search terms. > Same with Grep from Gadgets. I'm not sure what you're refering to ? The search button normally applies to the 'active object' that it belongs to. eg. if you activate (MidMouse): Edit.Open System.Tool, you open the 'active object' being a text called System.Tool which knows how to Store, Grow and Close itself. It also knows how to Search itself; obviously for a text string - in fact the most recent 'selected' (RightMs) string. --------- > When I execute the installed Oberon System 3 native and try to configure > the CD drive I see a note that I cannot use the ATA IDE driver for the CD > drive if I am using ATA IDE for the hard drive. The 'other post' Subject: Native Oberon: Mounting an ISO9660 CDROM relates to n-o alpha 2001 and not to V2.3.6. n-o alpha 2001 can mount/read/write several IDEs. Perhaps V2.3.6 can't ? Pity. --- Chris Glur.

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Re (2): [Oberon] Native Oberon: Mounting an ISO9660 CDROM
by muller＠inf.ethz.ch 29 Jun '02

29 Jun '02

mmori_cs(a)yahoo.co.jp asked: > I'm a new user of Native Oberon. Is there a way to mount > an ISO9660 CDROM from within Native Oberon. "Thomas Frey" <frey(a)inf.ethz.ch> replied (privately): > OFSTools.Mount CD IsoFS IDE1 ~ > > Also have a look at OFS.Tool Some more info: To mount a CD you need to know the device name of the CD drive. To see all devices and their partitions, execute: Partitions.Show Example output: Disk: IDE0, 37GB, ST340823A IDE0#00 38166MB --- (Whole disk) IDE0#01 2039MB 6 * DOS FAT16 >= 32M IDE0#02 2031MB 22 OS/2 BM: Hidden FAT16 >= 32M IDE0#03 34091MB 15 Extended LBA IDE0#04 2031MB 6 |DOS FAT16 >= 32M IDE0#05 439MB 76 |Native Oberon, Aos ... Disk: IDE2, 514MB, removable, IDE DVD-ROM 16X IDE2#00 514MB --- (Whole disk) Disk: IDE3, 8063MB, WDC AC38400L IDE3#00 8063MB --- (Whole disk) IDE3#01 2039MB 7 NTFS, HPFS, QNX, Adv. Unix IDE3#02 1025MB 15 Extended LBA IDE3#03 512MB 76 |Native Oberon, Aos IDE3#04 512MB 11 |Win 95/98, FAT32 IDE3#05 4998MB --- (Free) In this case the CD (DVD) drive is called "IDE2". So to mount this CD, execute: OFSTools.Mount CD ISOFS IDE2 ~ "CD" is the prefix under which the CD will be mounted. "ISOFS" is the file system type (from the OFS.Alias section of Oberon.Text). "IDE2" is the device name. To see which file systems are currently mounted, execute: System.Watch To unmount the media, which must be done before removing it: OFSTools.Unmount CD The mounting concept of Native Oberon is not completely satisfactory, especially for removable devices, and should be simplified in future versions of the system. Suggestions for how this could be done are welcome. -- Pieter -- Pieter Muller, Computer Systems Institute, ETH Zurich / MCT Lab, Zurich Native Oberon OS: http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/

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Native Oberon: Mounting an ISO9660 CDROM
by 森正弘 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Hi, I'm a new user of Native Oberon. Is there a way to mount an ISO9660 CDROM from within Native Oberon. Thank you, Masahiro Mori __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/

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Second test
by muller＠inf.ethz.ch 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

Hi This is a second test message to test the reply-to header. No need to reply this time! -- Pieter -- Pieter Muller, Computer Systems Institute, ETH Zurich / MCT Lab, Zurich Native Oberon OS: http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/

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First post!
by muller＠inf.ethz.ch 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

Hi all This is a test message, please reply to sender. cheers -- Pieter -- Pieter Muller, Computer Systems Institute, ETH Zurich / MCT Lab, Zurich Native Oberon OS: http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/

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