September 2004 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Oberon Database
by Dan Parnete 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

Hello, I have read this list archives, the documentation inside the distributions, some extra found on the web and I understood. Database is a Tabu word in this community, and is better to not talk about. There is no trace in any distribution (excluding the commercial BlackBox) and the new Bluebottle project doesn't intend to implement one. Ok. It's a choice of live. But don't tell me none of you never needed to put some data altogether. I can't believe nobody extended at list the Library code to more flexible collections management. I saw some database projects started long time ago. Where are this implementations? In other words: if I need a database, have I write it myself? Dan

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Re: [Oberon] Support for Realtek RTL-8139 with Native Oberon
by frey＠inf.ethz.ch 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

> I'm running Native Oberon on a Pentium-II class machine. > How can a network card such as, Realtek RTL-8139 be > configured in Native Oberon ? PCITools.Scan was able to > detect this card as a PCI device. The driver is currently only available for the new Bluebottle OS. http://bluebottle.ethz.ch It should not be too difficult to make a Native Oberon driver out of the Bluebottle OS driver. But... I have no time to do this myself. --Thomas Frey

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Re: AW: [Oberon] USB memory stick
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Sven Stauber, ss> Set the constant Debug ... If you post that log, I may can help you. Thanks. ss> Which release of Bluebottle are you using? None yet. Just got a Pentium machine at work in early August. This line in ETH Oberon / PC Native 05.01.2003 suggested to my naive thinking that support might exist in Oberon. { !UsbSystem.Start } {* USB commands ... *} ss> Start Oberon under Bluebottle; OK. Am working in this direction with the most scarce resource being time. Thanks for the help, Peter Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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AW: [Oberon] USB memory stick
by Stauber, Sven Philipp 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Hi Peter! >Has anyone operated a USB memory stick >successfully under Oberon or Bluebottle? Yes. Under Bluebottle. If you have problems: Set the constant Debug in AosUsbStorage.Mod to TRUE and do whatever does not work correctly. You will see a detailed debug log on the Log Window. If you post that log, I may can help you. Which release of Bluebottle are you using? (Start Oberon under Bluebottle; the date of the release should be displayed in Oberon's KernelLog) Regards, Sven Stauber ________________________________ Von: oberon-bounces(a)inf.ethz.ch im Auftrag von shark(a)gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca Gesendet: Mi 22.09.2004 21:23 An: oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch Betreff: [Oberon] USB memory stick Oberoners, Has anyone operated a USB memory stick successfully under Oberon or Bluebottle? Thanks, Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/ -- Oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://www.mail.inf.ethz.ch/lists/listinfo/oberon

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USB memory stick
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

Oberoners, Has anyone operated a USB memory stick successfully under Oberon or Bluebottle? Thanks, Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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oberon on macosx 10.3.4
by Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

hello did anybody succeed in installing a working oberon-compiler on macosx 10.3.4 ? i installed the ppc.Darwin62 available here: ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/ETHOberon/Unix/ppc.Darwin62/ ( which is actually for 10.2 ? ) the installation runs ok but when i %oberon i get: Oberon loader 19-1-2003 loading Glue loading Console loading Threads loading Unix loading Kernel initial heap size = 6291456 loading Filedir loading Files loading Modules starting System.init /usr/local/bin/oberon: line 10: 1333 Trace/BPT trap ${ohome}/macox.oberon -c "$@" -h 6m a X11-window pops up for a second and then disappears and nothing .. any help ? thank you jmcs3

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Re^2. simplifying Dialer.DoScript
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Chris and the other 1.5 users of Oberon PPP, cg> ... 'int string' is a subset of 'string'. OK; you apprehend the possibility of an intended snd begining with an int. Such command could be interpreted as a rcv. Similarly, the possibilities of snd commands beginning with "USER", "PASSWORD" and "CALL" might be considered. No modem command begins with int, "USER", "PASSWORD" or "CALL". Therefore the cases in question never occur when the Dialer script is used to operate a modem. This is all the Dialer script was intended for. cg> I thought such BNF needed the alternatives to be mutually exclusive ? Might not be a general rule. Is it published somewhere? cg> You mean if there's no 'int string' the wait time is zero ? An int of "0" specifies zero wait time. Example of a rcv with zero wait time. 0 "Blah" Example of a command with no wait time. "Blah Blah" That is a snd command. cg> You mean if eg. 'int string' = "8" the scripts aborts unless the expected action has occured before 8 time units ? Yes and the expected action is to receive a specified string. cg> So you need the pause, but can't get if from your modem nor the dialerscript ? Affirmative. Over. cg> ... and no 'int string' to do what ? No int, is the case of a snd command. Timing is not involved. The string is sent and there is no more to do for that command. cg> ... you will perhaps have to hack it yourself, as I've had to do. "Program" rather than "hack" please. It is a tiny exercise. cg> If we can consolidate effort in the future, your documentation will be appreciated. When the Dialer is ready, it will be on my Web site along with the other modified modules. cg> BTW, since you're looking at this ... I've got an old DOS based BBS application, ... With AOS and Debian Linux available, I wouldn't bother with a BBS. Use http or ftp. The Oberon Dialer is not for general communication. Regards, Peter E. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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Antwort: Re: Re (2): [Oberon] qemu:access existing partitions
by Edgar Schwarz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Hi Jack, I did make /dev/hda writable and got the lack of information. Also If you want to find the current problem you don't need a Bluebottle partition. Partition.Show should also tell me about other partitions on my current disk if I mount it. Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Edgar Schwarz -- Edgar.Schwarz(a)marconi.com, Postf. 1920, D-71509 Backnang,+49 7191 13 3382, Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler (A.Einstein) Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail An: ETH Oberon and related systems .com> <oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch> Gesendet von: Kopie: oberon-bounces@ Blindkopie: inf.ethz.ch Thema: Re: Re (2): [Oberon] qemu:access existing partitions 13.09.2004 04:58 Bitte antworten an Jack Johnson; Bitte antworten an ETH Oberon and related systems On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:40:20 +0200 (MEST), edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de <edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de> wrote: > Did that, but Partitions.Show didn't find anything about IDE#0. > Is it necessary to be root ? > When I tried it with root I got a black screen because it seems that root doesn't > have an Xserver set up. > So how did you succeed ? I'm afraid I don't have a Bluebottle partition on the same box as Linux, but it should work. I'll try to fish up another drive and see what I can cobble together. I think you've caught the problem, though. Just as you had to make /dev/hda1 world-readable, you may need to do the same to /dev/hda. Or, try using sudo, if you have it installed and configured. If it's some locking/blocking problem accessing that device directly, I suspect you'll see something in kern.log or dmesg. -Jack -- Oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems https://www.mail.inf.ethz.ch/lists/listinfo/oberon

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Re (2): [Oberon] qemu:access existing partitions
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Jack Johnson <knapjack(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:29:40 +0200 (MEST), edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de > <edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de> wrote: > > I managed also to start in addition with '-hda /dev/hda1' without complaints from > > qemu after making /dev/hda1 world readable. Experiments with mountpoints failed. > > But Partitions.Show doesn't recognize any partitions with a type. > Remember that '-hda' assumes the target is an entire disk (or file > behaving as if it were a disk), so you should be doing '-hda /dev/hda' > so that Partitions.Show can find the partition map. Did that, but Partitions.Show didn't find anything about IDE#0. Is it necessary to be root ? When I tried it with root I got a black screen because it seems that root doesn't have an Xserver set up. So how did you succeed ? Regards, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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Proxy settings in Oberon.Text
by shark 12 Sep '04

12 Sep '04

Oberoners, Context: ETH Oberon / PC Native 05.01.2003 running on a lan behind an ipmasq server. I know almost nothing about a proxy service and wonder whether the failure of FTP on a connection beyond my lan is a consequence of not having the proxy parameters set. The short paragraph in System.Text is not helpful in this context. Oberon.Text has the parameter ProxyDomain. Can someone please tell me what it is. Does FTPProxy = "192.168.1.1:21" seem plausible? Thanks, Peter E.

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