December 2004 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Oberon Database
by Dan Parnete 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

Hello, I have read this list archives, the documentation inside the distributions, some extra found on the web and I understood. Database is a Tabu word in this community, and is better to not talk about. There is no trace in any distribution (excluding the commercial BlackBox) and the new Bluebottle project doesn't intend to implement one. Ok. It's a choice of live. But don't tell me none of you never needed to put some data altogether. I can't believe nobody extended at list the Library code to more flexible collections management. I saw some database projects started long time ago. Where are this implementations? In other words: if I need a database, have I write it myself? Dan

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Re: [Oberon] Re. Blackbox open source available
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Chris, cg> Glancing through BlueBottle notes it seems that it aims to ape M$. My first guess would be that they are trying to give BB a fighting chance against the popular systems. Why not? cg> I just can't understand it !! Certainly many users preferred tiled viewers to arbitrary viewers. This to the extent of using Gadgets within the tiled interface rather than Gadgets alone. More than one interface can be available in an OS. Currently there is an Oberon within BB and we can hope that, after all the Oberon capabilities are implemented in BB, the best of the Oberon interface remains as an option. Regards, Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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Blackbox open source available
by Douglas G. Danforth 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Folks, I like the Blackbox/Component Pascal interface. The source code has now been released. I'd be interested in hearing comments about porting that code to the Native Oberon environment. That is, call those functions of native that replace MS Windows calls and still retain the look and feel of Blackbox while running on Native and hence extend the platforms on which Blackbox will run. -Doug Danforth

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Re: [Oberon] Support for Realtek RTL-8139 with Native Oberon
by frey＠inf.ethz.ch 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

> I'm running Native Oberon on a Pentium-II class machine. > How can a network card such as, Realtek RTL-8139 be > configured in Native Oberon ? PCITools.Scan was able to > detect this card as a PCI device. The driver is currently only available for the new Bluebottle OS. http://bluebottle.ethz.ch It should not be too difficult to make a Native Oberon driver out of the Bluebottle OS driver. But... I have no time to do this myself. --Thomas Frey

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Re. Blackbox open source available
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Doug Danforth wrote:- > I like the Blackbox/Component Pascal interface. > IMO the 'interface' is THE most important aspect of a system. That it's not discussed is because the concepts are so fuzzy and dificult to quantify. I've concluded that why I feel so comfortable [like taking the boxing-gloves off before starting to type] when I return-home from having to use Micro$loth or Linux, is n-o's 'interface'. Glancing through BlueBottle notes it seems that it aims to ape M$. I just can't understand it !! > The source code has now > been released. I'd be interested in hearing comments about porting that > code to the Native Oberon environment. That is, call those functions of > native that replace MS Windows calls and still retain the look and feel > of Blackbox while running on Native and hence extend the platforms on > which Blackbox will run. Can you try to describe this 'Blackbox/Component Pascal interface' please ? Here's my attempt at describing n-o's interface:- * cording allows the major actions: load-file, do-command, delete/copy/move-text ...etc. to be controlled subconciously [by reflex]. * there is no need to look back-and-forthe between screen & key-board, [this aspect is recognised by fighter aircraft HCI, and they spent money to get the best] except for "mark" <F1> , which Peter Easthope once approriately ask to be included in the cording-vocabulary. I.e. except for "mark" <F1>, the key-board is hardly necessary. * inputing visually and allowing the rest of the body to react instinctively as reflex output is efficient for humans. == Chris Glur.

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Re: Blackbox open source available (Douglas G. Danforth)
by Paul Reed 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

> From: "Douglas G. Danforth" <danforth(a)greenwoodfarm.com> > Subject: [Oberon] Blackbox open source available > I like the Blackbox/Component Pascal interface. The source code has now > been released. I'd be interested in hearing comments about porting that > code to the Native Oberon environment. That is, call those functions of > native that replace MS Windows calls and still retain the look and feel > of Blackbox while running on Native and hence extend the platforms on > which Blackbox will run. Or, how about doing it as a web-based interface? ETH people, is there any research going on in browser-based (i.e. operating system neutral) 3rd-generation language development environments? It looked touch-and-go a few years ago, but operating system diversity seems to be here to stay now :) Happy New Year Everyone! Paul Reed

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Re (2): [Oberon] NIC in BB
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Thomas, Dan, dp> It works with the Crazy Fresh of 24 nov., ... OK, I am grappling with "current". Is dysfunction of the network via 3C905 plausible for "current"? tf> ... CD image ... There is no CD burner here; I need to boot the zip file. Seems that I can put AosCD.zip in the AOS partition as Xmas04AosCD.zip and adjust Aos.Par thusly. BootVol1=RAM RamFS 8000 4096 BootVol2=AOS AosFS IDE0#03 BootVol3=ZIP ZipFS | Xmas04AosCD.zip RamFS=AosRAMVolumes.New AosDiskFS.NewFS AosFS=AosDiskVolumes.New AosDiskFS.NewFS ZipFS=NIL AosZipFS.NewFS Any tips before I try this? A couple of small auxiliary questions. I've been testing the network using Desktops.OpenDoc in the Oberon embedded in BB. Is there a way to test directly in BB? Should the domain name in Aos.Par include the machine name? Ie., Domain="king.pathology.ubc.ca" vs. Domain="pathology.ubc.ca" . Thanks, Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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NIC in BB
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

The 3C905 card works for PC Native 05.01.2003. This message went through it. The BB Performance monitor records a signal on the receive window. The send window and the two loopback windows have flat lines. I've tried a little tinkering with the EPROM settings of the card and with the media and duplex parameters in Aos.Par to no avail. Can anyone suggest where to look to solve the problem? Thanks, Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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The Open Graphics Project
by Stefan Salewski 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Hello, yesterday I found a discussion in the Linux-Kernel-Mailinglist about plans to build a graphics card with fully open specs. The project was started some months ago by Timothy Miller from http://www.techsource.com. A short description about the project can be found on http://lists.duskglow.com/mailman/listinfo/open-graphics I think the availability of a graphic card with fully open programming specs would be very important for all open source projects and especially Bluebottle/ETH-Oberon. So this may be interesting for some members of this mailing list. Best regards Stefan Salewski

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How abaout a new BB release for Xmas ?
by Soren Renner 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I mean an ISO, suitable for burning to bootable CD. That's what I want. Sugarplums and reindeer no longer do it for me. Your forgotten colleague, sr --

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