May 2003 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Re: [Oberon] Support for Realtek RTL-8139 with Native Oberon
by frey＠inf.ethz.ch 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

> I'm running Native Oberon on a Pentium-II class machine. > How can a network card such as, Realtek RTL-8139 be > configured in Native Oberon ? PCITools.Scan was able to > detect this card as a PCI device. The driver is currently only available for the new Bluebottle OS. http://bluebottle.ethz.ch It should not be too difficult to make a Native Oberon driver out of the Bluebottle OS driver. But... I have no time to do this myself. --Thomas Frey

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Re: [Oberon] Port of XML to Native/Plugin Oberon (was Re: Antwort: DAV porting question)
by Edgar＠EdgarSchwarz.de 08 Jul '03

08 Jul '03

John Drake <jmdrake_98(a)yahoo.com>: > Ok. Here's the code. > http://freezope2.nipltd.net/jmdrake/Oberon/xmlport.zip Thanks John, I will give it a try on the weekend. Regards, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de "http://www.edgarschwarz.de" "http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/forum/oberon" Running Active Oberon Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein

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Version control
by Felix Friedrich 01 Jun '03

01 Jun '03

Hello everybody, I have a problem that probably most of you would consider as "standard" but, still, I have no solution. I have been an Oberon programmer since some years now and have been working in cooperation with other people, we have written some packages together and up to now did the version control by hand, i.e. mainly by oral agreements. Now I am confronted with the situation that more and more people are working with some of the modules and sometimes extend them or correct errors or simply add new capabilities to them. More or less regularly I have to synchronize the versions which will become a problem soon since even more of us are becoming Oberon users. Does anyone of you have an automatic version control for Oberon (with logging in / out etc.)? Or maybe some of you can write some practical experience with Oberon-Version control? We are working with the PlugInOberon under Windows, the Linux-Version and (still experimental) with Bluebottle. Felix -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta iQA/AwUBPb0WlkxdycIDx9VEEQLNcQCfV6Vvh6xm8wgomQ6Fy1fuGjXFq0IAn1qT 3wWElF69eNppXaSyxI2tKEhL =rmRz -----END PGP SIGNATURE------- Felix Friedrich Institut für Biomathematik und Biometrie GSF - Forschungszentrum für Umwelt und Gesundheit, GmbH Ingolstädter Landstraße 1, D-85764 Neuherberg Tel: ++49 89 3187 2436 email: friedrich(a)gsf.de --

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Re (2): [Oberon] WinAosOberon 1.01a available
by Edgar＠EdgarSchwarz.de 30 May '03

30 May '03

John Drake <jmdrake_98(a)yahoo.com> > Good work Felix! I agree. I will try it probably in a couple of days. > I've ported most of the XML system over. It seems > that everything compiles without a hitch! I suspect > porting WebDAV will be relatively straightforward > also. (Crossing my fingers). This will also help > in the XML/WebDAV porting effort to PlugIn/Native > Oberon. Again great work! At the moment I'm closely working with ETH to make WebDAV running on an ETH server. I hope to solve the last problems in the next week. Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de "http://www.edgarschwarz.de" "http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/forum/oberon" Running Active Oberon Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein

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Re: [Oberon] garbage collector
by hurlimann 30 May '03

30 May '03

Dear Patrik With with command can I disable and enable the GC? What ist the difference between normal pointers and untraced ones? Greting Bruno ---------- Urspruengliche Nachricht ---------------------------------- Von: "Patrik Reali" <reali(a)acm.org> Antworten: oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch Datum: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:05:18 +0200 You have two options: 1. disable and enable the GC by hand (this could kill the system, if you use a lot of memory) 2. allocate a memory block (with SYSTEM.NEW) and do whatever you want with its contents You should only use untraced pointers in this block. Using normal pointers could (and probably will) crash the GC. -Patrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "hurlimann" <hurlimann(a)medixa.com> To: "_Oberon user group" <oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [Oberon] garbage collector > > Whether it gives a possibility to make the garbage collector manually by programm an not automatic? > > Greetings > Bruno Hürlimann > > -- > Oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems > http://www.lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon > > -- Oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems http://www.lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon

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Re (6): [Oberon] PPP
by peter_easthope＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 23 May '03

23 May '03

Edgar, es> Didn't you fix it already in your PPP code ? All I did was give the DNS option a place in the case statement so that Oberon PPP doesn't just treat it as a faulty case and quit. Fixing it properly will entail storing away DNS addresses locally and acknowledging to the peer. As explained in the PPP notes, there is a question about how to respond to a frame containing an acceptable option (eg. a DNS address) and an unacceptable option. My naive idea is to send back two reply frames, one for each option. In general this means that any incoming frame can require 3 or 4 reply frames. Considering that I wasn't sure of this idea and that other matters were pressing, I procrastinated. If anyone can read the PPP notes and confirm the multi-frame-reply idea or suggest a better way, it would help. es> I wasn't in a hurry to include it in a new release because it doesn't seem that urgent at the moment and I'm still working on other matters. That is OK Edgar, ...p. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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Re (5): [Oberon] PPP
by Edgar＠EdgarSchwarz.de 22 May '03

22 May '03

peter_easthope(a)gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca wrote > > Pieter Muller <pieter.muller(a)alumni.ethz.ch> wrote: > > For the escape mechanism I suggest URL encoding: > > http://www.w3.org/International/O-URL-code.html > Certainly a better idea than quoting each > argument. Seems that this encoding might > extend to Unicode. > es> The only problem would be 0X. > If 0X is encoded at %00 why is it a problem? NetSystem.GetPassword (service, host: ARRAY OF CHAR; VAR user, password: ARRAY OF CHAR); There will be a problem to retrieve a password with embedded 0X. But this is a minor problem :-) > cg> Is it good to just fix your own problem and allow n-o to remain > non-compliant ? > > Absolutely not. I have been working on > Oberon PPP and still intend to fix DNS > negotiation if nobody else does. Didn't you fix it already in your PPP code ? I wasn't in a hurry to include it in a new release because it doesn't seem that urgent at the moment and I'm still working on other matters. eas-lab(a)absamail.co.za wrote > Am I right that pre-PAP authentication (login: ID and/or password) > can be catered for in the 'Dial section' of OberonText ? Yes. I had this with my first provider some years ago. You also get this feature with other programs. E.g. kppp (Linux) also allows to define dialer scripts for login. Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de "http://www.edgarschwarz.de" "http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/forum/oberon" Running Active Oberon Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein --- start of oberon mail --- Wf@h=:<P3m]eE^Y]\b=V`dUCM\^eU6e]di36j0`7<0<P?XR7P2lYR]\bm]^=V`d500`W90bo28L; ;M;[LoJI3kLY;JO;L;;@?KMI[IMKIY[;W;I]9=MYH7[;7KH1iMUkKYKIKX?1Y?19DCKIYKIU;8KJ MI;K;[L19?QKJ;;MdU]]^\Q0=\\]^]e]YeUUU^XE_^L\XeWPl^bm=Zc6jC@jS6m]b5Td5]U5TUM^ S=\`]\P\]UM\X=\^=]c]]P<YPL^em\W]\cU^P\ZBUYP\\^M\_U\Ye]WEW=dWP@@2BdBGj2GMnbGN gkNGGNgIjbg:gcnbTjFjFFijf`BgdnFg6FfnbWfbZ:EVfbanFbFFGRFjfFff@O2bQFFiBg`VFgbf l2b`2BaFFjBgb:G@VFbFf`2BjRf`jF@6gjnFjVFgNF@Ff`>Fd2b6jC@6FiNfjffbjFjjB@2bYFfb ffi2BjRf`BG@BGdVfi2bbjfa0ffdNFdBg6jC@FFlBgbjFb2BjnF@FEgVfanFbH3m98;kLm98Y:J; ;8O[KIKN19LUkK5;K;KK1iMOKMI;I1YH;;8Q9FMI3m98CZI19<a:8CkL11\\T5TQU^P\T`4VPl^X =_P<]c5TYU^P<\P4^b1nc6jdbBgYVgiBgbfFGNdbBGX6fi>gknFiBF02BD>gb:GkVfaFFF2Bdnfi BGM2bP:EY6d\2bWJD@>DT6DY^c6V@[6DY2bj>gb:GF2Bh6fi>7DWP<8<;0VbMf@ZRfb:gb2bkVFf bF@:fb<\P4>PPT^_5Tb]\dE^Y]\f]\P<<6fiPT5Tg=]d5]P\\]E\UU\T]\T5T`4[^X@[;M19MA3> G@6F@ffdjfg:G@2Gin6X>KI:KH3m987kIm98CjL1IJYccnfgBF@BggD]eM^dYIC;N1INOKMU;8Ok MM;8Q[L03[K9;83;KIkK_;8MK;O;8YkK1YLff`VFgf@Od]_e]]L\_]]`U]Y=\^U^PlW=dWP\Qn4T 1E\cm]\]^d]\\=_Pd]_U^^4TP<YP4]Qe^U5TR]\Ue]Pl^_E^[=]^m\Pl]^5T=d7OZH;[L4T@5Z@5 TQe]TiLYKJI;K1IJM;M;[K9CjnVV=]h9AMjD1I3m98MKI?kKYKJ3;MCkK2bdJF@jfg:fgBfl2bbb fiFF@BfgFfijb6BddBFgNBj2blnVPd\Y5?C;M1IH:gb6FbVG@VFg2blnfj:W@5:>fgBfb2bOf`T2 bk6fijfCBG@VFg2b`2BdFGi:gl2BjnVYe]SU]eU\U5TYU^P<]^Q^]\g5Tb]\\]\QM^U5TR]\S=\e M^U5TYU>9kK;CgNR=L^U]\]5Td5=\^bm\Ue]d5TQU>Y;J;cfnffFFgBG@d=VdCfF@>GjV6Ngg:70 O;MAKI2bf6FjBgbL^^\Q=\\QM^]T]QE\0=\RM^Q]]Q=]\eUSm]^D_Q5TgE>\16df2bT2BiVfcRFj 2BjRf`8LUKIK9D3:D1IH[;MAKIM;MCkH3;MCkK4U\m]W=]^EWP<Y45TQaGnFi2Bh6fi0CI3m987K HM;85KI1iH3;M;[L;;I1YIO[L1IJM;8Y;JlT4=]QU]PL^UM\d=]_e]W4T_e\PlYR1YJIa;M1i?KH F;kLM98C:8ACb2Bj<=NgdB7KKN1YIC[LW;M19LUkK]KJ9KIU;8WkKKKI1IN;KHUkL1IH?kKM98cj K[;83;KWkK1iI;;M11f@cFf`Bgj:gb22YS_U^XQ`E>?[L3KKW[;1IAMiIM98G;LQ;L19:IJJMKMa K:1IHI33;KISc5Tdm=9KI=KJMKIK8ICKHFFi2bi>FiVFhBgi2BcnFiT]_m<jb6f`QRfbFFi>GF2b RBfc6Fif`6f`FfB@f`bBfc6V0]\Tm\QiL7;J_KHU[NM9I;;819819800:BdBGj2GM0FFb00DT=DT XU^d10H;WkHAkM0OYIO[L[KKOiK5KIUSR4TP4TPDZee]^=]^m\P<XSU^Ye^U5T?IIH3KJHGKI1IJ <\c5Tc=]]5^\]\P<\c5T`m]cM^YE\\]\\4TR]^d5T^m]d5Tc=]]QbeUP4TP883:K5KIU;M1IAC[K W;M;KJMkf5JB;ZDI\12`BKP0<01[140=A080D1E`ooO:80380ooo7ZC3KK;C1NdbBGX04P0<0YJI a;M?JH9kI;;MW[;MJI_k@O[KY[LO;K4@#

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Re (4): [Oberon] PPP and overall Oberon coordination
by peter_easthope＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 22 May '03

22 May '03

Chris, cg> So you have an example of 'authentication prior to PAP' ? No. The proprietary interface to FirstClass is completely separate from the Internet interface. Each interface has its own modems. The Internet interface is provided by a Vicom router which is strictly conformant to RFCs as far as I have seen. I've never seen nor read of authentication prior to PAP. Just trying to understand your problem with authentication. cg> Which the 2001 version of n-o didn't 'handle' ? The only serious problem I had with PPP was simply that Oberon PPP did not know to negotiate DNS addresses. The details are explained in my PPP notes. cg> How did you 'fix' it ? The only effective way to understand a problem with PPP is to trace every detail in the log and study pertinent RFCs. Misunderstanding one detail can put you on the wrong track. cg> Is it good to just fix your own problem and allow n-o to remain non-compliant ? Absolutely not. I have been working on Oberon PPP and still intend to fix DNS negotiation if nobody else does. Regards, Peter E. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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Re (3): [Oberon] PPP and overall Oberon coordination
by eas-lab＠absamail.co.za 22 May '03

22 May '03

cg> Well, I don't/shouldn't have to know what kind of server system > I am dealing with. peter_easthope wrote: > True. GulfNet uses a server called FirstClass > which uses a proprietary authentication protocol. > I was wondering whether your server offers a > proprietary authentication prior to PAP. Apparently not, but if your's does, is it 'Windows' compliant ? So you have an example of 'authentication prior to PAP' ? Which the 2001 version of n-o didn't 'handle' ? You had to hack it your self ? I'm guessing that all the Windows users had no problem. Am I right that pre-PAP authentication (login: ID and/or password) can be catered for in the 'Dial section' of OberonText ? How did you 'fix' it ? Is it good to just fix your own problem and allow n-o to remain non-compliant ? -- Chris Glur. PS. Did I mention that TextMail.Mod is also 'non-compliant' and I had to hack it to get my mail ? Let's get a workable 'authority structure' established and fix these problems, and more importantly have a mechanism to evolve/refine n-o, independant of any one/few personalities.

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Problem with RamFS
by Vasile Rotaru 21 May '03

21 May '03

Hello world :) Since I'm using a RAM: partition as a kind of sandbox and "current directory", I'm using it rather heavily. And sometimes I get a trap viewer which tells me that allocation of a free block has failed. First time it happened I've said to myself: "OK, let's unmount it and mount it again". I did it (OFSTools.Unmount RAM) and this locked the system. Second time I've tried Ctrl-Alt-Del and this "unloaded" Oberon and locked the system too. The next time this will happen I'll try to first unmount AOS: to avoid a filesystem checking at startup. Now I'm just reporting this problem. Have a nice day, V. Rotaru -- As to the Adjective: when in doubt, strike it out. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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