October 2023 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Re: [Oberon] Export of Oberon Mail.SendCmd().
by Joerg 30 Oct '26

30 Oct '26

Generally, re-using code instead of copying is a good approach. If you do so, then the whole code of Mail is imported in News. Possible but perhaps there is even a better approach to re-use code. What about this: try to separate all common code in an own module (e.g call it Communication.Mod or MsgBase.Mod or Utilities.Mod or so) and import this new module in Mail and in News. br Jörg > Am 14.06.2023 um 19:53 schrieb peter(a)easthope.ca: > > Hello again, > > Several procedures in Mail are used in Oberon News. Rg.: > Mail.ParseContent(), Mail.DecodeMessage() & Mail.GetSetting(). > > Is export of SendCmd() and use in News objectionable? > Ie. in Mail, change PROCEDURE SendCmd(...) to PROCEDURE SendCmd*(...). > > Thanks, ... P. > > - > mobile: +1 778 951 5147 > VoIP: +1 604 670 0140 > > -- > Oberon(a)lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems > https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon

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Oberon keyboard tweaks
by Hans Klaver 07 Nov '23

07 Nov '23

Hi all, Have you ever felt the desire to use the arrow keys while editing text or playing ObTris (Oberon Tetris) in Project Oberon 2013? Or wondered how to make changes to the keyboard code translation table in Input.Mod? I did, and I noticed that making such changes is not entirely trivial. So after fiddling with this for some time and succeeding to make most of the tweaks that I needed I wrote a small Tutorial on this. You can find it here: https://github.com/hansklav/Oberon-keyboard-tweaks Hoping it will useful to others, With regards, Hans Klaver

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Re (3): Variants table.
by peter＠easthope.ca 25 Oct '23

25 Oct '23

Chris Burrows cfbsoftware at gmail.com, Sat Oct 21 05:41:23 CEST 2023 > A language called Oberon 90 / Oberon-90 never existed as such. The > names are simply recent unofficial pseudonyms / aliases for the original > version of Oberon which underwent several revisions in the period from 1986 > to 1990: Thanks. Nobody argued against splitting the Variants table according to "Source dialect". If I do that, the Cross-platform Oberon can be with the other "Oberan" based systems. The Oberon 90 revisions can be mentioned in a footnote. The overall objective is to help the unsophisticated user who otherwise might be overwhelmed and deterred by complexity. Thx, ... P.L. - VoIP: +1 604 670 0140 work: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:PeterEasthope

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Re: [Oberon] Oberon on OSnews.
by peter＠easthope.ca 25 Oct '23

25 Oct '23

From: Liam Proven lproven at gmail.com, Wed Oct 25 15:52:45 CEST 2023 > https://www.osnews.com/story/137572/ ... Thanks Liam. In that note, Thom Holwerda remarks, "... runs on all platforms where LeanQt is available ...". I found LeanQt is at https://github.com/rochus-keller/LeanQt . Familiar systems have dozens of precompiled Qt packages. Debian has a long list. A precompiled Qt package might let me try Rochus' Oberon with minimal preparation. Thx, ... P. - VoIP: +1 604 670 0140 work: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:PeterEasthope

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Oberon on OSnews
by Liam Proven 25 Oct '23

25 Oct '23

«Oberon System 3 compatible with the Oberon+ compiler and IDE» https://www.osnews.com/story/137572/oberon-system-3-compatible-with-the-obe… Rochus' work is starting to get some attention. That's a good thing IMHO. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven(a)gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

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A new fork of Oberon system 3
by Liam Proven 23 Oct '23

23 Oct '23

https://github.com/mikewarot/OberonSystem3FP « This is Mike Warot's bending of Oberon System 3 (also known as ETH Oberon) to fit with his odd tastes. It's no longer compatible with the Oberon+ compiler, IDE and runtimes and the OBX Platform Abstraction Layer (PAL), and thus truly cross-platform (runs on all platforms where LeanQt is available). The migration is just starting, and highly broken. Nothing works yet at all. I'm just taking stock of the pieces. Anything with a .pas extension has at least recieved some attention. I've learned a few things • If a declaration has a * after it, it's meant to be exported from a unit/module/etc. • The automatic begin of a block to match the expected END is annoying when converting back to pascal • There's a lot of code to go through » -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven(a)gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

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Good News on Ceres-3 recreated on FPGA
by Pablo Cayuela 21 Oct '23

21 Oct '23

This project of Ceres on FPGA by Udo Möller was mentioned many times on the list. There is some good news on it. http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/News.html The Ceres-3 is finally working on an FPGA board featuring a Verilog version of the NS32k CPU used in the original hardware: http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/TRIPUTER.html#Ceres Ceres-3 in Action, Fig. 10 of http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/Ceres.html http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/images/Ceres-3-5.jpg At "The Web Site to Remember National Semiconductor's Series 32000 Family" http://www.cpu-ns32k.net you can find many retrocomputing projects that Udo Möller has built along the years, http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/TITAN6.html http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/TRIPUTER.html featuring his own reconstruction of the NS32k family of CPUs functionality in Verilog based only on the documentation manuals of the chips. His design is called the M32632, http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/Overview.html http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/Architecture.html and it is working on a series of Altera FPGA boards, http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/Devhard.html that anyone could use: http://www.cpu-ns32k.net/Getting.html I even port one of his initial versions of the M32632 to a Xilinx FPGA (Digilent Nexys4 board) but not the complete Ceres-3 project. I hope you find this news interesting. Best regards, Prof Pablo Cayuela Argentina

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Re: [Oberon] Re (2): Variants table.
by Chris Burrows 21 Oct '23

21 Oct '23

On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:41 PM <peter(a)easthope.ca> wrote: > Hello Chris, > > A difference between Oberon-2 and Oberon 90 (or Oberon-90) was > brought to my attention > > A language called Oberon 90 / Oberon-90 never existed as such. The names are simply recent unofficial pseudonyms / aliases for the original version of Oberon which underwent several revisions in the period from 1986 to 1990: https://people.inf.ethz.ch/wirth/projects.html The differences between the latest 1990 version of *Oberon* and its later (1991) superset, *Oberon-2*, are explained in the document titled "Differences between Oberon and Oberon-2" by Hanspeter Mössenböck, the primary designer of those changes. You can download the document from https://doi.org/10.3929/ethz-a-000589808 -- Chris Burrows Oberon-07 for ARM Cortex-M0, M3, M4 and M7 https://www.astrobe.com

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Re (2): Variants table.
by peter＠easthope.ca 21 Oct '23

21 Oct '23

Hello Chris, A difference between Oberon-2 and Oberon 90 (or Oberon-90) was brought to my attention. From: Chris Burrows <cfbsoftware(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 08:35:44 +1030 > Oberon and Oberon-90 are one and the same are they not? If so, that > removes one dialect from the list. Regretably, differences, or lack thereof, between Oberon and Oberon-90 are beyond my knowledge. =8~/ If we're lucky, an expert will illuminate. Regards, ... P.L. - VoIP: +1 604 670 0140 work: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:PeterEasthope

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Re: [Oberon] Variants table.
by Chris Burrows 20 Oct '23

20 Oct '23

On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 7:08 AM <peter(a)easthope.ca> wrote: > Hi, > > The variants table has become quite long. > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/System_Variants > > With 6 dialects in the source dialect column, the table might be > divided into six; a table with 4 columns for each source dialect. > > Bad idea? Good idea? > > Incidental question. Rochus Keller notified of the distinction > between Oberon-2 and Oberon 90. Is this the correct language report > for Oberon 90? > https://people.inf.ethz.ch/wirth/Oberon/Oberon.Report.pdf > > Oberon and Oberon-90 are one and the same are they not? If so, that removes one dialect from the list. -- Chris Burrows Oberon-07 for ARM Cortex-M0, M3, M4 and M7 https://www.astroeb.com

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