December 2002 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Re: [Oberon] Support for Realtek RTL-8139 with Native Oberon
by frey＠inf.ethz.ch 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

> I'm running Native Oberon on a Pentium-II class machine. > How can a network card such as, Realtek RTL-8139 be > configured in Native Oberon ? PCITools.Scan was able to > detect this card as a PCI device. The driver is currently only available for the new Bluebottle OS. http://bluebottle.ethz.ch It should not be too difficult to make a Native Oberon driver out of the Bluebottle OS driver. But... I have no time to do this myself. --Thomas Frey

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Input.Time
by Gérard Meunier 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

Hello, I've done some time measurements of program runs on Bluebottle, and I'm not sure that Input.Time() works correctly. I don't know if this fact is important, but my program uses the gc a lot. I find a discrepancy of ten times, more or less, between my watch (~ 60 s) and Input.Time() (6 s). My config string contains the item 'MHz="600"', which is right. Any ideas ? Regards. Gérard

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Tabs in Script or TextDocs
by pat＠picoworks.com 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

Has Script or TextDocs been extended anywhere to handle right, center or decimal tabs? "Compiler Construction" by Dr Wirth, produced on Oberon, shows right tabs in the table of contents but it may have been produced on V4. Thanks, Pat

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Empty Bluebottle screen
by Gérard Meunier 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

Hello, Today, I tried and installed the new Bluebottle. I get a marvellous blue-magenta screen with a working mouse cursor, but no more. The screen is completely empty. I give below my Aos.par file. Can you tell me what happens and what I can do? Thanks. Gérard # Aos config strings # You must correctly configure at least section 1 below. The other sections have reasonable defaults. # To boot with noboot.exe from DOS (IDE or Adaptec 7xxx SCSI): # c:\native> noboot.exe AosIDE.Bin Aos.Par # For an Adaptec 7xxx SCSI driver, use AosAda7.Bin instead of AosIDE.Bin # To make a bootable partition or Diskette (from Native Oberon or Aos), use the following commands: # Partitions.UpdateBootFile IDE0#01 AOS:AosIDE.Bin ~ # Partitions.SetConfig IDE0#01 # Partitions.UpdateBootFile Diskette0#0 AOS:AosIDE.Bin ~ # Partitions.SetConfig Diskette0#0 # Add "~" at end of this text, so that SetConfig can read its parameters directly here. # --- 1. BOOT PARTITION # Boot device and partition number BootVol1="AOS AosFS IDE2#1" AosFS="AosDiskVolumes.New AosDiskFS.NewFS" # --- 2. DISPLAY DRIVER # VESA 2.0/3.0 display driver (1024x768x16, @60Hz only, unless Init string is changed) Boot="AosDisplayLinear" Init="bb1741b8024fcd10b8014fb91701cd10268b4d28268b552a" DWidth="1024" DHeight="768" DDepth="16" DMem="2048" # 0010 BB1741 mov bx,0x4117 # 0013 B8024F mov ax,0x4f02 # 0016 CD10 int 0x10 # 0000 B8014F mov ax,0x4f01 # 0003 B91701 mov cx,0x117 # 0006 CD10 int 0x10 # 0008 268B4D28 mov cx,[es:di+0x28] # 000C 268B552A mov dx,[es:di+0x2a] # VESA 2.0/3.0 display driver (1280x768x16 @70Hz) #Boot="AosDisplayLinear" #Init="b80b4fbb0000ba1a0166b90085af07cd1026c705c00626c74502580526c74504e0052 6c745062a0426c74508010426c7450a040426c6450c042666894d0d26c74511581bb8024fbb1 a49cd10b8014fb91a01cd10268b4d28268b552a" #DWidth="1280" #DHeight="1024" #DDepth="16" #DMem="4096" # VESA 2.0/3.0 display driver (1280x768x16 @60Hz) #Boot="AosDisplayLinear" #Init="b8024fbb1a41cd10b8014fb91a01cd10268b4d28268b552a" #DWidth="1280" #DHeight="1024" #DDepth="16" #DMem="4096" # 3Dlabs Permedia2 display driver #Boot="AosDisplayPermedia2" #DWidth="1024" #DHeight="768" #DDepth="16" #DMem="2048" #DRefresh="60" # S3 Aurora64 display driver (800x600x8 only, unless Init string is changed) #Boot="AosS3Aurora64" #Init="bb0301b8024fcd10ba00e0b90000" #DWidth="800" #DHeight="600" #DDepth="8" # ATI Mach64 (e.g. Rage Pro) display driver (1024x768x16, 60Hz for LCD display) #Boot="AosDisplayLinear" #Init="b815a0b3008cc233ffcd1026800e040004b815a0b3018cc233ffcd10b802a0b98455c d10b805a0b101cd10b806a0cd108bd3c1e20433c9" #DWidth="1024" #DHeight="768" #DDepth="16" #DMem="2048" # --- 3. ADDITIONAL DRIVERS #Boot1="AosKeyboard;AosMousePS2" Boot1="AosKeyboard;AosMouseSerial" # USB Mouse #Boot1="AosKeyboard;AosMousePS2;AosUsbUhci.Init;UsbMousePoller.Start" # --- 4. STARTUP APPLICATIONS # Aos 2D Menu Boot2="WMDecorate.Install;WMStyle.Install;WMM.OpenMenu" # or 3D menu #Boot2="W3dMenu.Open W3dMenu.XML;WMM.Install" # Autostart executes commands in AosConfig.XML's "Autostart" section Boot3="Autostart.Run" # or Oberon for Aos in full-screen mode (remove Boot3 from above!) #Boot2="AosOberonInput;System.Init" # Boot Oberon with Aos Menu at startup #BootSystem="AosDisplayWM.Install Oberon 900x700;System.Init Oberon" # --- 5. NETWORK DRIVER # No network driver LinkDevice="Unknown" # 3Com 3C90x EtherLink XL 10/100Mbps ethernet driver # 3C90xMedia: 1=10Base-T, 5=100Base-TX (3C900), 6=100Base-RX, 9=auto # 3C90xDuplex: 0=preset, 1=half-duplex, 2=full-duplex #LinkDevice="Aos3Com90x" # Only set following if default does not work #3C90xMedia="9" #3C90xDuplex="2" # 3Com 3C509 EtherLink III 10Mbps ethernet driver #LinkDevice="Aos3Com509" # RTL 8139 10/100Mbps ethernet driver #LinkDevice="AosRTL8139" # --- 6. TCP/IP NETWORK PARAMETERS # (if LocalIP is not defined, BOOTP is attempted) #LocalIP="129.132.134.xx" #LocalName = "xxx.inf.ethz.ch" #Netmask="255.255.255.0" #Gateway="129.132.134.1" #Domain="inf.ethz.ch" #DNS0="129.132.98.12" #DNS1 = "129.132.250.220" #DNS2 = "129.132.250.2" # --- 7. MISCELLANEOUS # Keyboard table options: System.Directory Key*.Bin #Keyboard="KeyCH.Bin" # TraceMode: 1=screen, 2=waitkey, 4=v24 (additive) #TraceMode="4" #TracePort="1" #TraceBPS="38400" #TraceMem="0B8000H,80,25" # Additional tracing #TraceHeap="0" #TraceHeap="4096" # Disk cache size in 4KB units (make negative to enable write-back caching) CacheSize="1000" # Profiling and timeslicing timer rate in Hz (default 1000) #TimerRate=1000 # To enable Ctrl as emulation of the mouse middle button #MB="2" # Automatic power management (APM) must be disabled APM="0" # Disable the primary IDE controller #IDE0="0" # Limit the number of processors recognized (set negative for single-processor emulation) #MaxProcs="1" # Set watchdog timer for Oberon.Loop in seconds #OberonWatch="0" ATABM="0" Keyboard="KeyFR.Bin" ~ uncomment this line when using Partitions.SetConfig

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Bluebottle Dec 31 build
by PhiHo Hoang 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

Hi, Thanks for the latest release of Bluebottle (Dec 31 2002). I burnt a bootable CD. Bluebottle booted but the screen is just blank. I recall that at the booting stage, I can drop to the console and play with various booting parameters. Is the procedure documented somewhere ? Thank you and Happy New Year. PhiHo.

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PPP
by Peter Easthope 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Folk, Here are a few questions. PPPMain.InstPPP does Texts.OpenScanner(S, Oberon.Par.text, Oberon.Par.pos); reads the parameters for the command from this line in Oberon.Text, Device0 = { "PPPMain.InstPPP", "COM1 \silent"} and then uses InInt(i) to read an integer, 4. There are these two lines of code. (*MRUWant*)InInt(i); INCL(wo.O, NegMRU); wo.MRU:=1500; IF HDLC.debug THEN Debug.String("MRUWant "); Debug.Int(i, 5) END; Questions 1. Where does InInt read 4 into i from? "4" is not a parameter of "PPPMain.InstPPP" in Oberon.Text. 2. Debug.String("MRUWant "); Debug.Int(i, 5) puts "MRUWant 4" in the PPP.Log. Considering that the default value for MRU is 1500, this value of 4 seems weird! Any ideas? Thanks, Peter

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Re (2): [Oberon] Multiple incompatibilities with ISPs
by Edgar＠EdgarSchwarz.de 29 Dec '02

29 Dec '02

Hi, Christmas is over and I finally will have some time for Oberon again I hope. eas-lab(a)absamail.co.za wrote: > "Peter Easthope" wrote:- > > > A few days ago I commented, > > 'PPP.Tool states "PPP is described in RFC (...)1584." > > This RFC is entitled "Multicast Extensions to OSPF". > > Perhaps the intended citation is RFC 1331'. > > > > There is a later document, RFC 1548, _The Point-to > > -Point Protocol (PPP)_, which obsoletes 1331. > > 1548 should be cited in the PPP.Tool. So it seems I switched two figures in PPP.Tool. Nevertheless RFC 1548 is obsoleted by RFC 1661. So browsing through my RFC printouts I found the following list. Perhaps some of them are obsoleted in the meantime. 1172 PPP Inital Configuration Options 1332 PPP Internet Protocol Control Protocol 1334 PPP Authentication Protocol 1570 PPP LCP Extensions 1661 Point to Point Protocol > Do the RFC's show the 'state transition diagrams' ? Or table(s) ? Yes, see RFC 1661. > As I recall you indicated/suspected a 'small incompatability > between n-o PPP and some ISP' ? This could be a BIG job to > debug. There are means for tracing the stuff. But the main point I guess is your familiarity with the protocol so you are able to find the point where there is a problem. > I notice Edgar refers to VCS in PPPMain.Mod . > This could be a very good reason to see if/how control version software > works. A formal, disciplined frame-work for collaboration > might solve some main problems of n-o, besides PPP ? I contributed to RFC 3253 (Versioning Extensions to WebDAV) and still plan to create an Oberon client and server for it. I'm still two weeks at home (One of them even without two boys competing for my HW resources because they are back at school :-) The drawback it that at least with a first version even the client will need XML and this means Bluebottle. So as you see I'm working on a framework for collaboration but can't make any promises as you will surely understand. There are many things which can go wrong if you write SW. Sometimes even HW breaks :-) To answer possible questions about CVS, Sourceforge at al. Give me an Oberon client for them and perhaps I would cancel my project :-) Another point is that I would like to collect information on problems with PPP on Oberon somewhere. I don't have the urge to take every article concerning PPP from the mailing list and put it somewhere else. You could do it yourself. So I installed a VERY simple forum at "http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/foren/oberon/". Being very simple (Without 'fancy' things like frames and Javascript. Written in Perl) it seems to work even with NO. I added a feature that I should get a mail when somebody is posting an article so I can respond. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de http://www.edgarschwarz.de http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/foren/oberon Running Active Oberon Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein

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Re: [Oberon] Multiple incompatibilities with ISPs
by eas-lab＠absamail.co.za 28 Dec '02

28 Dec '02

"Peter Easthope" wrote:- > A few days ago I commented, > 'PPP.Tool states "PPP is described in RFC (...)1584." > This RFC is entitled "Multicast Extensions to OSPF". > Perhaps the intended citation is RFC 1331'. > > There is a later document, RFC 1548, _The Point-to > -Point Protocol (PPP)_, which obsoletes 1331. > 1548 should be cited in the PPP.Tool. > > Also, PPPFSM.Mod could mention in a comment that > FSM = Finite State Machine. RFC 1548 uses the terms > "LCP automaton" and "Option Negotiation Automaton". FSM is a easy way to program for some applications. But the extra layer can make it very difficult to reverse engineer. Do the RFC's show the 'state transition diagrams' ? Or table(s) ? As I recall you indicated/suspected a 'small incompatability between n-o PPP and some ISP' ? This could be a BIG job to debug. I'm reminded that when I started with V2.3.2 StandAlone, Mail.Panel would not connect. P. Muller helped with some trace/debug patches; but I soon 'intuited' that there was a subtle timing hardware incompatability and settled for TextMail.Mod which connected. Later, V2.3.6 DOSbased still failed and only at and after Beta 2001 version did Mail.Panel connect. This 'delay till later, work around was cost effective'. In your case if you could investigate the ISP with linux, which has lots of debugging facilities, you could confirm which 'side' is out of spec. : ISP or/and n-o ? Do you consider cost vs. benefit ? I usually 'seek other passengers to amortise the cost'. eg. I want to write a hardware driver, but have decided to expand the task to be 'wrapped in a tutorial of how to write hardware drivers in general with n-o'. IMO well overdue! I notice Edgar refers to VCS in PPPMain.Mod . This could be a very good reason to see if/how control version software works. A formal, disciplined frame-work for colaboration might solve some main problems of n-o, besides PPP ? VCS could perhaps be the 'passenger that pays the extra cost' justifying the PPP investigation ? -- Chris Glur.

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Re: [Oberon] V24 - Serial comms.
by eas-lab＠absamail.co.za 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

> >1. Do I understand correctly; you want to dial via the modem and > >then communicate to another 'machine' via: > > manual keying in -> V24.Panel -> serial port -> modem -> remote system > > ?? > > peter_easthope(a)gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca wrote: > Correct. > > >2. Have you succeeded ? > > Yes. V24.Panel works fine although it has some > capabilities which I do not know how to use. > This is because n-o has no centralised coordination, to promote the existance of a V24.Panel.Text. Just a few lines, which should be part of the V24 'package' would suffice. (* I've just seen a lot of text which I have accumulated from my own analyses of V24.Panel. eg. Columbus.Inspect reveals PF1 : Cmd = V24Gadgets.Send V24 "\e[P" ~ no Links { \n = CR } and the flipable-button can send your pre-loaded file P4k.Bin ...etc. As usual n-o has powerful undocumented facilities. You should replace: "I don't know how to X"; with "X seems not to be documented". *) Native oberon is like the several 'banana republics' who are currently degenerating to garbage, for lack of leadership/coordination. > >If not what is failing ? > > PPP does not work with the VicomSoft Router operated > by GulfNet. Appears that either the modem is not > configured correctly to allow PAP to work or that the > VicomSoft router has an idosyncrasy which Oberon PAP > does not accomodate. I think the modem only knows how to transmit and receive bits ? It does not know about about PAP, nor even PPP ? I (one of the few remaining n-o internet connectors) had 'special' help from Edgar Schwarz who knows all about: V24 -> modem -> dial -> PAP/PPP; to set up my PAP/PPP. Do you know how to 'handle' the login -> PAP/PPP transfer, manually via the V24.Panel ? I'd like to know - without analysing the existing n-o code. I think the 'procedure' of how to use V24.Panel to manually develop/test/modify the V24 -> modem -> dial -> PAP/PPP process, should be documented and made available. -- Chris Glur.

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Bb freeze
by Yuri M. Skripkah 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Hello , All. As I was wrote in my previous post, I see some freeze in Bluebottle. Now,I'm think,this is only slow video output. Sorry for disturb. -- Best regards, Yuri mailto:yurix@i.com.ua

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