July 2004 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Oberon Database
by Dan Parnete 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

Hello, I have read this list archives, the documentation inside the distributions, some extra found on the web and I understood. Database is a Tabu word in this community, and is better to not talk about. There is no trace in any distribution (excluding the commercial BlackBox) and the new Bluebottle project doesn't intend to implement one. Ok. It's a choice of live. But don't tell me none of you never needed to put some data altogether. I can't believe nobody extended at list the Library code to more flexible collections management. I saw some database projects started long time ago. Where are this implementations? In other words: if I need a database, have I write it myself? Dan

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Re: [Oberon] Support for Realtek RTL-8139 with Native Oberon
by frey＠inf.ethz.ch 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

> I'm running Native Oberon on a Pentium-II class machine. > How can a network card such as, Realtek RTL-8139 be > configured in Native Oberon ? PCITools.Scan was able to > detect this card as a PCI device. The driver is currently only available for the new Bluebottle OS. http://bluebottle.ethz.ch It should not be too difficult to make a Native Oberon driver out of the Bluebottle OS driver. But... I have no time to do this myself. --Thomas Frey

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How I know you're all just playing
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

There are countless signs that there is no one else "working" with n-o -- you are all just playing. eg. I need to find the file where I noted the patches I made to reduce the name-plate width of Desktops-frames, to allow space for the [Store] button to be seen with VGA settings. So I want to search the relevant partition for file(s) containing the strings : "Store" & "width". This 'uncool' facility is needed very often for WORK. == Chris Glur.

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Re: How I know you're all just playing
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:57:03 +0200 (MEST), easlab(a)absamail.co.za <easlab(a)absamail.co.za> wrote: > > There are countless signs that there is no one else "working" > > with n-o -- you are all just playing. Jack Johnson wrote:- > I hear your frustration, but I think making an accusation is not > necessarily the best way to obtain help. I believe there is a ton of > work being done with Native Oberon, just not necessarily the type of > work you're doing. The modern curse of political correctness is a drag on original though, besides the provocation is made 'tounge in cheek'. > I personally used to do a lot of image manipulation work with earlier > versions of Oberon, before the days of PhotoShop. > This is difficult to imagine because: * Wirth's main fight was against bloat; * which is consistent with the development of oberon: compact and suitable for minimum hardware usage. * Images are THE example of 'needing big RAM and CPU' ! * n-o can 'handle' images, and apparently visual stuff is interesting to experiment with and for student's projects. Which is perhaps my definition of 'playing' vs. WORK. i.e. WORK is stuff which you'd prefer not to do. And because you didn't choose to do it, you want it to be completed soon. i.e. you want productivety. * n-o would/should never pretend to 'approach' PhotoShop [which I've never (intended to) use] ? > > So I want to search the relevant partition for file(s) containing > > the strings : "Store" & "width". This 'uncool' facility is needed very > > often for WORK. > Is it a needed facility or a workflow issue? > I don't understand your words. > I think there's a perceived need, which has been met through the > modules of others, but often the 'grep' people are searching for is a > mental Unixism we bring as baggage to a new system. I probably > wouldn't have started with a text search in Oberon (though I also may > have been unsuccessful). Personally, I don't think there's anything > uncool about text searching, but Oberon in general is not heavily > file-oriented (more document-oriented?), so this lacking feature never > suprised me. > If a 'document' is a sequence if chars, readable by humans, and you've collected thousands of them, how will n-o manage without an approach which is "file-oriented" ? > I would suggest using the modules suggested earlier. It sounds like > it would be worth your time investment. I manage. It's just that when I ask myself why doesn't any body else need the facility of 'finding a set of files which have a set of strings', the obvious answer is that they aren't doing 'real work'. [ Imagine if this facility was removed for google !! ] They are experimenting with images of coloured butterflies; which is also OK. == Chris Glur. PS. while searching I always find previous interesting stuff. This is apparently from: Vasile > And I have "yet another" suggestion. > The freshly opened frames/documents should get the star marker set by > default. Then we'll get a chance to "pack more commands" in one mouse > click. (Using Configuration.DoCommands or ET.Do) Yes this would be good and, I think a mouse cord should be allocated to "set star marker". Then one could [eliminate the key board &] have one's other hand free to hold the coffee mug or something else.

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Re (2): [Oberon] Bluebottle/NO and PCMCIA networking
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 01 Aug '04

01 Aug '04

> ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch> writes: > > To be of any use I would need to connect it via a PCMCIA card to my LAN. > There has never been any work on PCMCIA that I've heard of So this means a laptop can only connected to a network if it already has an builtin network card ? > You could use PPP over a null modem cable to your Linux machine. A possible scenario is that two boys sit before two Windows PCs connected by LAN to a DSL router. So the question is whether it's possible without too much work to use this internet access somehow by connecting the laptop to one of the PCs using the serial interface ? Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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ODBC help!
by Dan Parnete 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Some time ago John Stout posted the ODBC Help! message on this list, about some lost odbc source. If anybody found it, I should like to have a copy. Thank you in advance, Dan Parnete

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Re (2): [Oberon] Moin and Oberon browsers
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

John Drake <jmdrake_98(a)yahoo.com> > Anyway here's the code for PNGPictures. (I would > have uploaded it to the WebDav but it doesn't seem > to be working today). WebDAV is running again. There still seems to be a problem with automatic restart after a reboot (At least I didn't see a trap yet so I assume it's a restart problem). Regards, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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Moin and Oberon browsers
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Hi, after making PNPImages for Aos Oberon I finally installed WebNavigator. I says it understands CSS, which is used for moin. OTOH I don't see the PNG images which I see with the standard Oberon browser. The standard browser doesn't understand <div> so the layout is bad. And John Drake mentioned that it's better with forms. So it seems that there should be a merge. My question now is which browser is ETH using ? Mozilla, IE ? And which of the existing Oberon browsers would be the better foundation to add missing features ? Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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Can N-O do wiki ?
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 18 Jul '04

18 Jul '04

Wiki has been mentioned on this forum. > Wikis > offer a middle ground between e-mail and a conventional web page, > which makes them useful for collaborative projects, particularly those > involving far-flung teams. Rather than maintaining multiple copies of > a document and sharing ideas by e-mail, a wiki allows members of a > team to pool their thoughts more easily. Wikis are not particularly > new, but are now beginning to demonstrate the potential to replace > other forms of groupware. A project that I'm looking into, mentions wiki; but I don't want to spend half a day investigating it. Can native oberon read/write wiki ? If not, what linux tools can ? Thanks, for any advice or info. == Chris Glur.

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Bluebottle/NO and PCMCIA networking
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 17 Jul '04

17 Jul '04

Hi, I just got an antique laptop with Pentium 90MHz, 1GB HD, floppy, 800x600x256, 8MB RAM. To be of any use I would need to connect it via a PCMCIA card to my LAN. Any experiences ? Any HW (not) working ? Should BB work or is it better to install NO ? Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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