September 2010 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Reiser - Wirth book
by dukeofperl＠ml1.net 04 Oct '10

04 Oct '10

Good Day to you all.. I've been groaning through the formalism of Reiser's and Wirth's book "Programming in Oberon - Steps Beyond Pascal and Modula". :) Does anyone know if there's a published list of answers to the exercises at the end of the above book's chapters? -- Duke

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Re: Address Book for Multimail, etc
by Chris Glur 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

Peter wrote: > > A regular expression processor, RX or Gerard Meunier's Regul, is > > ideal for extracting a list from this text. > > Extract all bcc addresses: RX.Grep * "bcc:". > > Extract all SIP addresses: RX.Grep * "|sip:". > That would be for people with BIG mailing adrs-lists ! Like politicians ? > > That's a bit better. I bet a person could hack some sort of "alias" > > expansion thing with that tool - if a person wanted to bother. :) I use the 'alias' method -aka macro-expansion. The 2 keys, e<insert> produce:---- To: ....@..... Cc: crglur(a)gmail.com Date: Day Month 2010 From: Chris Glur <easlab(a)absamail.co.za> Subject: ----------- and the date/time and some lines of email addresses, from which I copyPaste. Every tenth time I paste wrongly. N-O gives you plenty of freedom - to make mistakes. A particular problem is not noticing a spurious leading space. The alias/macro-generator tool is initialised by EditKeys.Definitions ^ And it can do many other tricks, like preposition-loading my personalTool by: s<insert> When I started using N-O the Mail.Panel didn't connect on my PC, so I've stayed with the more primitive Mail.Tool and I have the commands available on my personal menu/Tool. But what surprises me, is that being in darkENING africa, I needed to modify Mail*Mod years ago to cater for the then new <senderAuthenticate> requirement, which N.Americans don't use/need -- apparently. ---------- Duke wrote: > LNO does not support networking available > on Linux, and neither does the "other" NO on Linux. I use leo for email, live-fetch http, newsgroups, telnet ..all at the same time as linux-lynx ..etc. Previously I used LNO, but when it was updated I failed to get the frameBuffer version working. Can you have multiple LNOs running under linux, each connected to the internet, like leo? What is the latest version of LNO? The extra facility of LNO which leo lacks, is the ability to access N-O partitions - as I recall. Thanks, == Chris Glur. PS. I normally don't use leo for html, because it often Traps; and since http-graphics is usually garbage, you can use lynx to d/l multiple URL's texts to a file/s while you're doing your email, etc. But I want to see the diagrams/graphs on http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/ And leo allows you to select the graphics that you want individually. And the results are SOOOO superior to anything else that I've used: * you can multi-colour the words/phrases as you are reading the text; * and delete and add you own comments; * and paste the sequence to a single file, with your own index at the top. * relaoding the file/<evolvingBook> is immediate compared to opera [my claimed to be fasterst full-feature-browser]. What other 'browser' can nearly offer these important HUMAN INTERFACE facilities ?! The last ETHO-browser trap that I read was <index out of range> -- which I vaguely remember fixing on my N-O system, some years back. I'd spend some effort in 'maintaining' the leo browser if I knew that it was the latest version and the maintnance would be 'folded back' into the system. Of course you can't use the ETHO browser to fetch your https-web-based annoying gmail. But for many jobs it IS the best tool. PSS. there's something that I've never got an answer to: in many emails and https, there often appear strange chars eg. for <single quote>. I suspect that they originate from Micro$loth-Word or some similar. What is wroing with the normal <single quote> which is a standard ascii-char? So when you see these annoying quirks with ETHO, you just use <search>, <replaceAll>. Importantly, you are reading and analysing the text [and I usually multi-colour-mark it if it's important], so cleaning the M$-quirks is little extra effort to add-value.

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HOW's N-O's Navigators ?
by Chris Glur 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

I'm becoming enthusiastic to build/evolve my PKecon-book, by leo-fetching the quality-blog's serial contributions. The graphs handle nicely, but the many <graphical Tables> just show mostly black. Apparently N-O's browser handles *.png, *.gif, *jpg; so what format would the <graphical Tables> be? Perhaps 'lynx -dump *' will show the type? Perhaps N-O's Navigators can handle it? === trace of investigation == System.Directory Nav* == Navigators.Tool == > N-O box has log of tests. Watson.ShowDef Navigators.* == shows good stuff =========== Here's a digressionary example of real-life of <how one day your system will stop working>:-- So my previous investigation results of Navigators is on the N-O box. Which now is ooo. Because the serial-ports are 'mis-mapped'. Because lightening hit the MOBO's serial port, via te modem, and the original user [apparantly] fitted a daughter-board and 'remapped' the serial ports to non-standard addresses. And due to non usage, the BIOS-cell [wrongly called a battery] lost voltage; which lost the special serial-ports mapping. And that's why the kiddies buy a new computer every year. BTW. can N-O 11 Oct 2001 handle a usbMouse? What's the latest N-O version? How did I previously move the caret [Ctrl was MM] with the keys, when the mouse was missing? Thanks, == Chris Glur. PS. another BIG factor for my use of leo instead of plain N-O, is linux's ability to switch font-size, which is what I liked about A2. And A2's inability *HERE* [yet] to run useably, has complex reasons, like the lightening-strike story above.

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Address Book for Multimail, etc
by dukeofperl＠ml1.net 27 Sep '10

27 Sep '10

Hello List... Is there an address book for use with "Mail" utilities? TIA... -- Duke

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an LNO success
by Duke Normandin 27 Sep '10

27 Sep '10

Hey Lists... Just to let you know, I finally got Multimail and it's partner - can't remember its bloody name - working for me. Now I'm beginning to view LNO and therefore NO in a bit brighter light. ;D I'll keep on playing with LNO, cuz with it, I've got the best of both worlds. L8r... -- Duke

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Re. MailClient
by Chris Glur 26 Sep '10

26 Sep '10

Duke wrote:- > Is there an address book for use with "Mail" utilities? TIA... I think not. Successive refinement solution:- Does the string "ook" appear in the source-code? Does the string "ook" appear in System.Directory *ail*.Mod Use Find.Tool on "ook" & System.Directory *ail*.Mod Too bad System.Directory *ail*.Mod is empty for me now. Any 'strings' appear in the *.Obj files too. So: System.Directory *ail*.Obj == Find.Domain /home/oberon/obj/Mail.Obj /home/oberon/obj/MultiMail.Obj /home/oberon/obj/TextMail.Obj ~ Find.All ^ -> found in: /home/oberon/obj/Mail.Obj == ChangeLook -> try also for "ddress" -> found in: /home/oberon/obj/Mail.Obj == SMTP AutoCc no return address set invalid return a /home/oberon/obj/Mail.Obj == address set invalid return address ContType text/plai BTW, you can do all/most of this without touching the keyboard. ----- > As such, my > networking experience with ETH products - from A2 to NO has been > dismal. Oh well... No, AFAIK ETHNO is not a product - from a commercial venture. It's a set of utilities generated by student projects at ETHZ. So a full-featured-browser would be problematic, because it keeps growing, as M$ keeps moving the spec, so it is/was not suitable as a student project. AFAIK *nix is stong with networking. So leo [linux ETH Oberon] gives me the best of linux for networking and ETHO for processing the texts: both together. When ever I get a complex text, I just open a leo task for it. It's nice that just entering 'oberon' in the directory which has the problematic text, allows multiple leoS to work on multiple text-files, without interference between them. == Chris Glur.

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syntax for exporting a procedure
by Duke Normandin 26 Sep '10

26 Sep '10

Hello list.. What is the proper syntax to export a procedure? PROCEDURE some_name * (whatever); ^^^ or PROCEDURE some_name*(whatever); ^ or does it matter? Much obliged! -- Duke Normandin Turner Valley, Alberta, Canada

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Anybody using the XDS Oberon Compiler?
by Duke Normandin 20 Sep '10

20 Sep '10

I was installing a few stand-alone Pascal, Modula and Oberon compilers this week-end, including the XDS "bilingual" compiler. I may be wrong, but it appears that maybe the XDS compiler does not support file I/O - as per their website's "Unimplemented Oakwood libraries". Can someone confirm that this is correct? Is this compiler "lame" until its purchased? Just curious.... -- Duke

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Re: [Oberon] Anybody using the XDS Oberon Compiler?
by Alexander Iljin 20 Sep '10

20 Sep '10

Hello! DN> Your compiler may or may not support what ETH has recommended you DN> to support in your compiler, via the Oakwood Guidelines. Here's DN> what your docs say: MY compiler?! : )) You are giving me a little too much credit. I'm a mere user, I've never even talked to the XDS developers. DN> [quote] DN> Unimplemented Oakwood libraries DN> The following Oberon-2 Oakwood library modules are not available in DN> the current release: DN> Input Keyboard and pointer device access DN> Files File input/output, riders DN> XYPlane Elementary pixel plotting DN> [/quote] DN> I wasa concerned that XDS Oberon compiler did not support _any_ Oberon DN> language file I/O. You've shown me different. Thank you! Again, the same conceptual error. File I/O is NOT part of the Oberon LANGUAGE. It can be provided by libraried, either standard or OS-supplied. I bet you can use Linux's file access libraries from XDS. DN> I choose not to support Microsoft products, so I'm test-driving XDS on DN> Linux Xubuntu. I had a quick look at ../xds/pdf/isolib.pdf. Streams DN> and channels - is that "standard" Oberon2, is it? Nope, that's part of the ISO-standard Modula-2 library. DN> and Yeah! I realized that In Out was supported. Thanks for the input. You are welcome : ) DN> BTW, other than the "samples" directory, is there an XDS tutorial DN> kicking around? TTYL.. AFAIK, no. There are .hlp and .pdf files, though. If you have problems reading .hlp on Linux, you can find the help system online here: http://oberonrevival.sourceforge.net/docs/xds/html/index.html Or you can download it for offline browsing: http://oberonrevival.sourceforge.net/docs/xds/html/xds-revival-doc-mp-0.1.z… ---=====--- Alexander

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Document viewing in ETHNO; was Re (3): [Oberon] Mail client problem! Please re-send.
by peasthope＠shaw.ca 20 Sep '10

20 Sep '10

Duke, > I suppose that there's no reason why ETHNO could > not have as good a text-based Web Browser as `lynx' or `w3m'. Or a > graphics-based one, using Gadgets. Desktops.OpenDoc is a prototypical implementation of the general concept of a document viewer. It can display graphics. Pages in Wikipedia illustrate nicely. Yes, the repertoire of formats is limited. PNG, PS, SVG and many others are not implemented but, in some respects, OpenDoc is already better than lynx. > LNO does not support networking available > on Linux, and neither does the "other" NO on Linux. I have an ETHNO system and Debian Linux system side by side with interaction by telnet, ftp, ssh and vnc. ETHNO gets the most time by far. Regards, ... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. 7785886232 is gone. Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive; installation of NetBSD on new drives pending. Personal pages, http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ .

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