March 2008 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

OPM.Mod
by Alexander Iljin 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

Hello! I'm trying to extract the Oberon compiler from PlugIn Oberon for Windows to use it elsewhere, but the distributions seems to be missing the OPM.Mod module source code. Where can I find it? ---=====--- Alexander

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Re (2): Does V4 run under linux ?
by Chris Glur 30 Mar '08

30 Mar '08

Newsgroups: comp.lang.oberon Followup-To: comp.lang.oberon Subject: Re (2): Does V4 run under linux ? References: <0489e072-843b-4831-9001-8e516332caf2(a)z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> In article <0489e072-843b-4831-9001-8e516332caf2(a)z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "aubrey.mcintosh(a)gmail.com" <aubrey.mcintosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 27, 10:27 am, problems@gmail wrote: > > How many people run V4 ? > > > > S3 runs nicely under linux, where the superior inet capability > > of linux [being preemptive multi-tasking] combines with S3's > > superior text handling. > > > > V4 has some other/different applications which I'd like to try, > > and under linux one can just swap between applications on the > > same box. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > > > == Chris Glur. > > In the past, I ran V4 on several Unix boxes. I was able to use a > Linux V4 on an Intel machine running BSD Unix, and it needed some kind > of "wrapper" to make it appear Linux like. --- Ahem, as well as I > remember. > > There is probably discussion about this circa 2000 in this newsgroup. > Wow!! Thanks. It's great to be able to switch between S3 *AND* V4. V4 seems to be more 'consolidated', rather than a bunch of add-ons? Like with a few big packages in their own directories. The Web-package looks substantialy sized. When I can, I prefer using the S3 browser instead of a 'full-featured' one and perhaps the V4 one is more fully-featured. The reason why I must stick with oberon is that for any real-heavy text, I need to have the color/font 'paint facility' to help ME absorb it. I'm pleased to see that V4 reads a S3 file with all the different color/fonts. <BTW, someone kicked me on a *legal* news group for spelling defence instead of defense, so I was wondering if Canadians also use US instead of 'english' spelling?> I wonder how many people realise that S3 can "build your own color/font annotated 'books'" where eg. you can just paste in pdf & other images, if need be, by the commonly available screen capture facilities of linux [my oberon one 'mirror-images' the images - by mistake]. I'll think I'll join the V4 mailing list and then I might find how to set the DNS ...etc. [that's what the error said] for http, and the mail & news parameters..etc. which are in Oberon.Text for S3. BTW mc [the clone/extension of the brilliant DOS Norton commander] is IMO essential as a background framework for the 2 oberon systems [or any miscl linux tasks]. It facilitates many file-jobs, including 'visually' copying/moving ..etc. files between the various directories. == Chris Glur.

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debug / init
by PETER EASTHOPE 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

Bernhard, bt> don't know for the latest (Vista), but checked for XP: debug is there (see attachment) Thanks. Debian provides all the tools I need outside of Oberon and Aos. In many instances the Debian software is better. objdump for example can disassemble code for most, if not all, Intel architectures and for other machines as well. Also, Debian, Oberon and Aos don't impose severe hardware requirements as these commercial systems do. Regards, ... Peter E. -- http://carnot.yi.org/

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New BB/AOS release
by Stauber Sven Philipp 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

Dear Oberon Users, BB/AOS revision 763 has been released. Note that starting with this release, we won't provide detailed change logs on the Bluebottle website anymore. Instead, you can get read-access to the AOS/WinAOS source code repository if you want to see what exactly has been changed (see www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch for details). Releases will, however, always be announced on this list. Best Regards, Sven Stauber

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Re: display of Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
by Chris Glur 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

> pe> The system track is about half the width it > should be, although the text appears OK. > > This is solved adequately for now. It's always good to share your findings. The aim of collaboration is to avoid duplication of effort ? I also once had a N-O installation which I couldn't get to display on a particular hardware, and never found out why. I'm guessing that the proportioning of total screen width allocated to the 2 tracks is fixed, and that if your system track is too narrow, then the left hand side is overflowing the screen ? It seems that you were investigating: * init-string > sets Video using PC-BIOS * VGA or SVGA ..etc. is selected during installation ? I always select the most basic [but omitt to update later]. So, I've always had VGA, which gives approx. lineLen= 80 in the userTrack. For my most recent install, Linux-ETH-Oberon, I used SVGA 'just for fun'. It's more difficult to read and mouse; but some applications eg. FontEditor.Panel need the [effectively] extra track-width. IMO when 2 N-O users are misunderstanding each other, it's often because they are using different 'screen-widths' and have forgotten that others may have a different view. It's like these WinX users who can't perceive that others might have a different life's-view . == Chris Glur

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debug / init was: display of Toshiba Satellite
by Treutwein Bernhard 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

[...] > > am> At the command line, run "debug" > > > > Is that in DOS or Aos? I learned to use objdump in Debian > > and was able to duplicate your output. Thanks! > > Yes, debug is a good old DOS utility. > So, has it survived to the latest Win? > don't know for the latest (Vista), but checked for XP: debug is there (see attachment) -- Bernhard Treutwein

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Re: [Oberon] display of Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
by PETER EASTHOPE 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Folk, pe> The system track is about half the width it should be, although the text appears OK. This is solved adequately for now. Desktops.OpenDoc "http://carnot.yi.org/OberonPage.html#Video" ... Peter E. -- http://carnot.yi.org/

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Re. display of Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
by Chris Glur 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

> am> At the command line, run "debug" > > Is that in DOS or Aos? I learned to use objdump in Debian > and was able to duplicate your output. Thanks! Yes, debug is a good old DOS utility. So, has it survived to the latest Win? I've got a file which [mc which I previously mentioned] shows, starts like: 00000000 33 C0 8E D0 | BC 00 7C FB | 50 07 50 1F and: objdump -d <fileName> shows: objdump: ./HexData: File format not recognized. Although objdump -d <a proper executable file> disassembles OK. So I guess you need to wrap the hex-bytes in a suitable [ELF type] header; which is what I previously did with N-O 2001's Decoder*, but some results were incompatible with DOS-debug. And I noticed that Decoder.Obj was omitted from later versions of N-O. Perhaps it's not reliable, although as I remember it's old. Now I see it's packaged in my linux-oberon v 2.4.3 too. But I must find my notes [and the *.Mod is missing] to use it. We prefer to be able to work in N-O and not have to boot to DOS ? == Chris Glur.

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display of Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
by PETER EASTHOPE 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Aubrey, am> At the command line, run "debug" Is that in DOS or Aos? I learned to use objdump in Debian and was able to duplicate your output. Thanks! Folk, Config.DetectVesa reports that mode 00000105H will work on the Toshiba 205CDS. With the machine lacking a floppy drive, the mode can not be set by Config.Vesa in Oberon0 but the config strings can be set in rebooting. Display=Displays. DDriver=DisplayLinear DMode=00000105H Init= DWidth= DHeight= DDepth= [Mode 105H implies width=1024, height=768, depth=8.] I've made a poor photo of the resulting display. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.yi.org/T205CDS.jpg The system track is about half the width it should be, although the text appears OK. The appearance is the same if I use mode 117H [width=1024, height=768, depth=16]. Before I plod further, does anyone recognize why the track or display is shifted or the display is scaled? Andre, judging by www.oberon.ethz.ch/display.html, earlier releases configured VESA by Init, DWidth, & etc. whereas in Native 05.01.2003 the configuration is simplified by using the DMode string. So I wonder whether some comments about this can be added to display.html. A comment about DDriver would also be helpful. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- http://carnot.yi.org/

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Correction to previous remark about Init string
by PETER EASTHOPE 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Folk, pe> "B8+ rw MOV reg16, imm16 ..." Referring to page 17-8, + rw is "a register code, from 0 through 7, ..." So b81 appears to mean "put the following word, 200c, into the CX register". That would leave d10, a shift instruction? ... Peter E. http://carnot.yi.org/

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