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Re: AW: [Oberon] Successful USB boot
by Aubrey McIntosh 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

-- Aubrey McIntosh, Ph.D. >>> staubesv(a)student.ethz.ch 1/29/2006 8:10 AM >>> Hi, >The Jan 24th Crazy Fresh release boots from a 1GB Toshiba flash memory stick. >The release does allow re-creation of the boot file AosUsb.Bin. Cool! >There are a few issues, but they may be due to my odd Configuration strings. What issues? The only configuration string you need extra for USB booting is "BootFromUsb=1" which forces the USB storage driver to block until a USB storage device has been found and put into the AosDisks.registry. Did it work with all host controller drivers linked into the kernel (AosUsbUhci, AosUsbOhci & AosUsbEhci), or have you only linked one if them into the kernel? Cheers, Sven Stauber Well, I'll start with the release CD. I have a HP/Compaq D530 SFF (DC578AV) computer with internal DVD/ROM, PS/2 keyboard, and Logitech USB Mouse, and LiteOn CD burner model USB SOHR-5239SX. 1. This appears to be a dual processor machine. 2. Frequently, it does not complete the boot process, and re-boots. On older releases there are a lot of interrupt traps, and presumably the internal DVD/Rom and Bluebottle don't play well together. 3. It is necessary to add the configuration string Boot6=AosUsbMouse.Install to be able to use the mouse. 4. When the Lite-On USB burner is connected, there are some configurations that never allow the mouse to work, and some which occasionally allow the mouse to work. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Status Mouse LiteOn fail USBHC1/1 USBHC1/2 fail USBHC1/2 USBHC1/1 fail USBHC0/2 USBHC1/2 sporadic USBHC0/2 USBHC1/2 sporadic USBHC0/1 USBHC0/2 5. When I edit the configuration strings, I have to type very quickly: if the DVD/ROM motor stops or slows, the system will hard reboot. 6. After the system boots, I typically open either a BB editor, or Oberon. When I do this, the system acts as if I have pressed the meta key---if the mouse bumps the edge of the screen, it scrolls. When I depress and release the meta key, the system returns to good behavior. I have the results of PCITools.Scan, and the System.Log saved to USB stick, but was not going to post them unless they might be useful.

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Re: AW: [Oberon] Successful USB boot
by Aubrey McIntosh 07 Feb '06

07 Feb '06

-- Aubrey McIntosh, Ph.D. >>> staubesv(a)student.ethz.ch 1/29/2006 8:10:49 AM >>> Hi, >The Jan 24th Crazy Fresh release boots from a 1GB Toshiba flash memory stick. >The release does allow re-creation of the boot file AosUsb.Bin. Cool! >There are a few issues, but they may be due to my odd Configuration strings. What issues? The only configuration string you need extra for USB booting is "BootFromUsb=1" which forces the USB storage driver to block until a USB storage device has been found and put into the AosDisks.registry. Did it work with all host controller drivers linked into the kernel (AosUsbUhci, AosUsbOhci & AosUsbEhci), or have you only linked one if them into the kernel? Cheers, Sven Stauber _ Oh, the issues are bigger than I thought. I'm only seeing the "Oberon Loading" message. I had thought this was just a matter of something hanging when the configuration strings were being executed. However, I was able to spend some time on it yesterday. I don't get the configuration edit screen, so it doesn't get very far. A trace shows that I'm not connected with the file system when I try a couple of more restricted kernels (such as no Ohci, but using Uhci). I will look at it some more next weekend.

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Re: [Oberon] LNO > framebuffer > VNC ?
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 31 Jan '06

31 Jan '06

Chris, cg> Q1 - what is the oldest version of N-O's VNC which worked ? VNC and most things in the alpha release, ETH Oberon / PC Native 05.01.2003, work fairly well. Is there any reason to use an earlier release? Regards, ... Peter Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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LNO > framebuffer > VNC ?
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 30 Jan '06

30 Jan '06

Peter Matthias wrote: If you still want to run LNO you should run it without X in the framebuffer. So I've queried the *linux* newsgroups 'how to run a framebuffer', since previous googling didn't provide an answer. Apparently the effort can be partly amortised on investigating the VNC project, which also fails[ed]. Some folks imply that my problem is that I'm still living in the previous millenium. So I'll try to find the latest. TODAY's URL: "http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/" shows: "Latest PC Native Release (2.3.6) [next release early 2003] ... Latest PC Native Beta Release (08.12.00) [next beta early 2003] ... Latest PC Native Alpha Version (updated often) ... - Oberon VNC page" -> http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/vnc/" and http://www.cs.inf.ethz.ch/group/gutknecht/\ stud_work/1999SS_jkreienb/ says: " With a VNC-Viewer, it is possible to look at the framebuffer of a remote VNC-Server and send keyboard or mouse commands to it...." Q1 - what is the oldest version of N-O's VNC which worked ? Q2 - Is TODAY's oberon.ethz.ch/native/ uptodate re. "next release early 2003" ? Q3 - did I also get to 'not the latest' with ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/software/Oberon/System3/\ Native/LinuxBased/lno020127.tgz ? == Chris Glur.

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SATA + CF Support
by keller＠creacare.com 30 Jan '06

30 Jan '06

Due to a lack of an appropriate CF Reader, we have not been able to test our new SATA disk driver's CF Support. Who has added CF Support to the old driver and would be able to test the new one? -- Daniel

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Successful USB boot
by Aubrey McIntosh 29 Jan '06

29 Jan '06

The Jan 24th Crazy Fresh release boots from a 1GB Toshiba flash memory stick. The release does allow re-creation of the boot file AosUsb.Bin. There are a few issues, but they may be due to my odd Configuration strings. -- Aubrey McIntosh, Ph.D.

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Re: Requesting sample good LNO: oberon.log
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 29 Jan '06

29 Jan '06

Am Samstag 28 Januar 2006 06:37 schrieb easlab(a)absamail.co.za: > > The LNO version ca. 1999 [previous millenium ?!] runs OK. > > > > But I don't succeed with lno020127. > > > > My oberon.log from ./install looks like: --- > > ...snip ... > > OFSDiskVolumes: Oberon0.Dsk#0 > > OFSN2KFiles: Scanning Oberon0.Dsk#0... marking 2 files > > GetConfig: Archive="" > > OFS: 1 open files on Oberon0.Dsk#0 > > OFS: 1 open files on . > > OFSLinuxFiles.FinalizeVol res= 0 > > GetConfig: DDriver=DisplayLinuxX11 > > Socket no.: 0000000A > > Protocol not supported by server > > > > Please execute 'xhost localhost' > > Received signal nr. 11 at signal handling level 1 > > TRAP -14 > > ...snip... > > Modules PC = 10838 > > OFS: 108 open files on RAM0 > > OFSN2KFiles: Map saved on RAM > > Closing oberon.dsk > > Closing Oberon0.Dsk > > ===== end of oberon.log =========== > > > > I'm guessing that X-server is detecting incompatibility problems > > with the hardware display system ? > Peter Matthias wrote: > Either the X-server is protected from doing what LNO wants or > there is incompatiblity. Have you run 'xhost localhost' ? > Yes, it writes "localhost being added to success control list". > > Perhaps I could fix it, if someone would post me an example of a > > succesfull oberon.log[s]; for install & run-oberon ? > > The older version uses X via library calls while the newer one uses the > X-protocol directly. There seem to be some changes in the > implementation of the protocol. It even does not run well on my > system any more while the system still runs well in the framebuffer. > What X-server do you use? I don't [want to] know. As I remember, when I installed Mandrake9, X-windows didn't operate properly until I downloaded something about ..*4*... Now with linux FC1 automatically installed-configured I don't know which X-server was auto-selected. The linux detection reports video: ATI Mach64 3D Rage IIC. When I copy the *020127* files over to another box [via minicom] which runs the previous version of LNO [ie. no problem with video], I get a trap at an even earlier stage of installation. Even when I noticed that this second box has only 32MB ram, so I edited *.cnf for a 20MB heap-size. Why can't someone just post me a good-sample oberon.log ? Thanks, == Chris Glur.

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Re: Requesting sample good LNO: oberon.log
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 29 Jan '06

29 Jan '06

> > Please execute 'xhost localhost' Edgar wrote: > Did you do what it's asking you to do ? > You could give it a try before starting LNO. Yes I did, but it still fails and I'm not enthusiastic to research linux. > I also replaced DisplayLinuxX11 by another driver like it's > described somewhere in the documentation and executed > on Term #1. > > The LNO version ca. 1999 [previous millenium ?!] runs OK. > > > > But I don't succeed with lno020127. Jan Verhoeven wrote: > I run LNO 2.4 with Slackware 8.0 and I never have troubles. > Yes my oldest LNO version runs well on my oldest version Slackware. Also Peter Matthias [LNO's author] uses Slackware AFAIK. But since I want to view *.ps/*.pdf on the same 'desktop' with N-O's text & diagram editing facilities; and older *.ps/*.pdf viewers are not good, I must use newer/problematic linux versions. > bash-2.05$ oberon > Oberon Boot File Loader 22.11.2004 > starting System.Init > terminating Oberon > bash-2.05$ > > > Perhaps I could fix it, if someone would post me an example of a > > succesfull oberon.log[s]; for install & run-oberon ? > > I don't have one. OK, I forgot: every time you run, the oberon.log [originally created at install time] is over written. The 'combination explosion' of different hardware[S], OS, versions .. is overwhelming. An ealy application of A[rtificial] I[ntelligence] was DEC's auto-configuration for clients various combinations of hardware & software. Related: I'm wondering where RS232, Centronics, USB is going. Some smart-boys try to tell me that RS232 & Centronics died long ago and that I should only be using USB; which [understandably because of it's complexity] seems NOT yet to have arrived. What about modems ? A hidden [internal] modem is disasterous. I need to see the lights. Even by NOT disabling the sound, you get some extra intelligence sometimes. For me ISP-dialup is an acrobatic exercise, needing consideration of: the time of day/week/month, weather, TV showings ...etc. Since societies didn't solve the road-traffic problem, which entails similar considerations, I know these smart-boys who say it all works automatically, are bluffing. OTOH 'KISS' helps to navigate the chaos ? == Chris Glur.

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Requesting sample good LNO: oberon.log
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 28 Jan '06

28 Jan '06

The LNO version ca. 1999 [previous millenium ?!] runs OK. But I don't succeed with lno020127. My oberon.log from ./install looks like: --- ...snip ... OFSDiskVolumes: Oberon0.Dsk#0 OFSN2KFiles: Scanning Oberon0.Dsk#0... marking 2 files GetConfig: Archive="" OFS: 1 open files on Oberon0.Dsk#0 OFS: 1 open files on . OFSLinuxFiles.FinalizeVol res= 0 GetConfig: DDriver=DisplayLinuxX11 Socket no.: 0000000A Protocol not supported by server Please execute 'xhost localhost' Received signal nr. 11 at signal handling level 1 TRAP -14 ...snip... Modules PC = 10838 OFS: 108 open files on RAM0 OFSN2KFiles: Map saved on RAM Closing oberon.dsk Closing Oberon0.Dsk ===== end of oberon.log =========== I'm guessing that X-server is detecting incompatibility problems with the hardware display system ? Perhaps I could fix it, if someone would post me an example of a succesfull oberon.log[s]; for install & run-oberon ? Thanks. == Chris Glur.

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Re: [Oberon] Requesting sample good LNO: oberon.log
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 28 Jan '06

28 Jan '06

easlab(a)absamail.co.za wrote: > GetConfig: DDriver=DisplayLinuxX11 > Socket no.: 0000000A > Protocol not supported by server > > Please execute 'xhost localhost' Did you do what it's asking you to do ? You could give it a try before starting LNO. I also replaced DisplayLinuxX11 by another driver like it's described somewhere in the documentation and executed on Term #1. ATM I'm working on starting http://webdav.ethz.ch again. Concerning collecting knowledge a Wiki is great I think. I'm also in the process of moving my webspace (With wiki) including the domain to a new provider which gives me a virtual server with Suse9.3. With wiki and NO there is one thing. It needs a at least basic browser. So I wonder whether it would be possible to develop the BB browser in a way that either it also works with NO or at least it's an easy port/adaption ot NO. Cheers, Edgar

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