July 2003 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Bug Report/Survey
by mcintosh＠vima.austin.tx.us 05 Jul '03

05 Jul '03

(We would appreciate if you take some time and send us some feedback. Fill in the form below and use the Oberon mailer to mail this document. Also feel free to make any changes you like. Thank you. ). Hi Oberon Developers, I found the following problem/have the following suggestion. My Name: My Organization: Problem/Suggestion: User Survey (Optional): Oberon satisfaction rating (0 - 100): I am using: Windows 3.1 Windows for Workgroups Windows 95 Windows 98 Windows NT 3.x Windows NT 4.x Windows 2000 MacOS 6.x MacOS 7.x MacOS 8.x Linux Native Oberon for PC Amount of RAM: 8MB 16MB 32 MB MB Network Software: Microsoft TCP stack PCTCP/Onnet Trumpet MacTCP Other: I have: No internet access Direct internet access Internet through PPP Internet through Slip I don't use Oberon at the moment plan to use Oberon use some Oberon applications like text editing have written small Oberon programs constructed a user interface for my personal work with Oberon have manipulated gadgets by program have written an own gadget find the user interface a little weird like the user interface have done a larger project in Oberon find the documentation lacking would like to see more example programs would be interested in the source of the system am in love with Oberon ! My comments: ---- Aubrey McIntosh, Ph.D. 1502 Devon Circle Austin TX 78723-1814 ETH PlugIn Oberon for WindowsTM / Win32 2.4 (15.12.2000) on Windows 2000 Version 5.0.2195 mcintosh@DELTA --- start of oberon mail --- Bb<0QG0?03hDc[KYKHaK<QY;WjHM[;=ZKYc7<0h3P1l1E60@1@1>eljFj@IjbY>Fg0d2<060:`7l 8P10D2400d200500`0`1>eljFj@J:FG>ea0H680<0D0R22`70X000008380O0P>00H68005P=P00 D0P00D06120@1020@1h34008380O0080O0080O0P8802`70h500n00P5P00D0J00P700X100:10P F00X300Z00P9P00D0^00P2008280O0PEP00D0V120@1h500R12`70X0006220@1H58005PaP00D0 F220@18@40O0PV00H78005PYP00D0Z10PYP00D06220@1X:00F320@1X600J10P3@00<0R;2`_J0 K@DNeb2bknfjbFb2b`2Gh:gb>fd6FjFF@VFc2blnfj2Bj6feFF@>ggffb2BjVffFF@6FgBF@>gbj Fb2bj>G@>ggf6=KI;;I5KH7kJM98=JJI;K1IJM;8Y;J;;8=kKUKK1YH;;KOkM1IHM;IKHMWKI19M AKInDaFFinFg2bf6fdbfb:G@Bgg2bf6fd4Td5]YM^PT\_M\e]]Ue]deUP<X\M^_5TV]\UU]Pd\b] \U5Tdm]P`eFF@6FgVG@>Fd6FgNfb>G@VggFW\=][]\^4TD5]Qe][5Tim=M98CY;KH33H3K8BC;8O ZHP4]\f]\\m]`]\bM^\\Q=<YPd\_]^^U\PT^X]<=CfbfgNgdjfc2Bh:gg:FfFffnBd6FkFF@BGd0 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Re (2): [Oberon] Trap in storing a FAT file.
by peter_easthope＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 04 Jul '03

04 Jul '03

Chris, cg> ... the WHILE terminating condition is expected to occur before the linked-list finds it's tail at c.next = NIL. cg> I'm guessing that it does NOT ! I'm guessing that your machine is testing (which was not done before) that c.next = NIL occurs before the WHILE terminating condition is satisfied. Do you see a reason why this would happen only on one specific machine and only in half of the store attempts? These circumstances suggest a low level hardware problem---ATADisks.Mod for example. cg> Compiler.Compile *\f Will have to try that during the weekend. Thanks. You've given some good ideas to work with. ... P. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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IMAP4 server
by Aubrey McIntosh 04 Jul '03

04 Jul '03

Is there an IMAP4 server project in BlueBottle, BlackBox, or other Oberon? I am convinced that, with an small enhancement, it would be the next "Big Application"

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Net program hangs in tiny SMTP receiver (BlueBottle)
by eas-lab＠absamail.co.za 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Aubrey McIntosh wrote: > My tiny SMTP receiver program was online for 24x7 for about 6 months, > and received as many as 2,500 spam and legitimate messages. > ... snip .. > I wonder if anyone had tried my tiny server on the 'not stable' releases? > Comments? I'm interested in: oberon especially S3, any internet applications. But my perceived heirarchy of importance is: the idea/algorithm, the carrier (documentation) of the idea/algorithm, the software implementation of the idea/algorithm, the hardware implementation of idea/algorithm So an oberon implemented 'SMTP receiver' would be of great interest, depending on the accompanying documentation. If the developer can pass on some ideas, I can do some beta-testing. I know that documenting is easier said than done. What happened to the G4 languages and C.A.S.E. where the programmer was supposed to be constrained (disciplined) to work at a high level instead of hacking at the coal-face ? Despite very heavy daily usage of n-o over a long period, I had a surprise yesterday: M/R on *.zip in a "Desktops" type text (intended just to see if the *.zip is 'visible'), shows a complete listing of the *.zip contents with name, date, size, ratio fields. This is very 'clever'; but should have been documented. My default is Edit.Open type frames. Central to Wirth's ideas was that the thing should be fully specified. The little man in the box, who finds a new trick every thousand hours is not what I want. -- Chris Glur.

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Net program hangs in tiny SMTP receiver (BlueBottle)
by Aubrey McIntosh 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

My tiny SMTP receiver program was online for 24x7 for about 6 months, and received as many as 2,500 spam and legitimate messages. Most of the time, this was running under the Stable release of May 22. However, I moved the relevant TCP files from the latest release to the stable, re-compiled them toward the end of the epoch. Almost any time there was an incoming file of 14-20 Kb, the system would totally hang, except for the mouse. In addition, there was a lot of disk activity. I speculate that the software made a call for each character that I read from the net and put into the received email disk image. When the received email files were small, the system would work without babysitting for periods up to several weeks. The number of emails received since re-boot did not seem to be a problem. I am now considering whether to pursue a project on BlueBottle, or to switch over to BlackBox. I intend to build a Web Server, SMTP receiver, and IMAP4 suite of programs. The Web Server part was adapted from the BlueBottle code in the distribution. Although not finished, it appears to be stable through the point that I have tested, i.e., it stays up for weeks, keeps logs, serves pages, and faithfully performs the duties I have been smart enough to write extensions for. I wonder if anyone had tried my tiny server on the 'not stable' releases? Comments?

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Re: [Oberon] Native Oberon and Transmeta Crusoe
by hurlimann 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

thanks a lot - I will inform, when I do it. Bruno ---------- Urspruengliche Nachricht ---------------------------------- Von: "Thomas Frey" <frey(a)inf.ethz.ch> Antworten: oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:41:53 +0200 > Is ist possible to run Oberon native on a Transmeta Crusoe processor? I have never heard about anyone who tried this. But it should work, if the processor is worth its price. If you have access to such a system, please keep us informed. --Thomas -- Oberon(a)inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems http://www.lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon

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