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Re: [Oberon] BB on IDE3#03 and boot diskette
by easlab＠absamail.co.za 21 May '05

21 May '05

I won't edit out the "=20" & "=3D", which M$loth generates. Nobody ever could tell me what it looks like for them. It's as if you're talking about ghosts, and others just change the subject. Op Thursday 19 May 2005 22:55 schreef edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de: > > Hi, > > I have still my two problems: > > 1. Did anybody ever boot Bluebottle from a IDE2 ? Or IDE1/2 ? > I'm guessing you mean boot from boot diskette TO [root=] IDE2. Yes no problem - for n-o. I'm guessing Bluebottle is similar ? Jan Verhoeven wrote > I did. It ran. > > > If yes: could I please have a description how he did it and a hex > > dump of his boot sector ? > > I just followed the install script. Then I wanted to install it on IDE0.=20 > But that didn't work. I could install just about any OS, but not Oberon o= > r=20 > BlueBottle. > So now it is yet another Linux machine. And I installed Oberon on another= > =20 > computer. > > > 2. I need a detailed description how to make an Bluebottle bootdisk wi= > th > > diskette#0. Formatting, ... Especially for a IDE3 Bluebottle. > > A bootdisk worked with previous versions using a DOS formatted > > diskette, but it seems no more :-( > > You get the diskimage and wave your magic wand, while typing ojn the=20 > keybored: > > =09dd bs=3D512 if=3D/Oberon0.dsk of=3D/dev/fd0 <Enter> > > That did the trick for me. > > My 'untrusty' IDE0 disk had a rather silly problem and it could be=20 > recognized by the fact that 'Partition.Show' never worked first time, but= > =20 > always second time. > On Lithium and other systems, Partition.Show just works always.=20 Yes, it's amazing that/how IDEs are 'non deterministic'. Apparently it's an accepted tradition to 'try repeated times' ! AFAIR Partition.Mod has got some 'places' where repeated tries are used. BTW Partition.Mod is excellent. And a good tutorial for IDE theory. Again today it made installing an 80GB IDE doable where linux's fdisk, cfdisk couldn't manage the '> 32 GB limit' issue. In the process I used SYS: @ IDE2#20 for n-o to help manage what linux - and of course M$ couldn't do. The floppy is written for IDE0#16, so I just had to: <shift> during boot and edit the appropriate line to ...IDE2#20.., followed by "c" after confirming the echo. Another nice thing about n-o is that because the root-partition is integral [as SYS] you can install initially to say IDE0#02 and then later 'plug the IDE in at' IDE2#02. Everything is relative to 'SYS:'. And with the data files on different partitons 'moving for backup-cycling' the symbolic addressing [eg IDE2#24 = Partiton 'dog'] solves that problem. What amazes me is that the multiple partitions worked out so well. I'm sure it wasn't envisaged during the initial design of n-o. == Chris Glur.

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BB on IDE3#03 and boot diskette
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 20 May '05

20 May '05

Hi, I have still my two problems: 1. Did anybody ever boot Bluebottle from a IDE3 ? Or IDE1/2 ? If yes: could I please have a description how he did it and a hex dump of his boot sector ? 2. I need a detailed description how to make an Bluebottle bootdisk with diskette#0. Formatting, ... Especially for a IDE3 Bluebottle. A bootdisk worked with previous versions using a DOS formatted diskette, but it seems no more :-( Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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WinAos 2.02
by Felix Friedrich 18 May '05

18 May '05

New Version of WinAos is available on http://www.bluebottle.ethz.ch/WinAos 18.5.05 version 2.02 alpha - FileSystem deadlocks removed - AosActive deadlocks removed - synchronization of the sources of PlugInOberon 2.50, WinAos and Bluebottle known Problems: - NetSystem not yet repaired (who volunteers ?) - Shutdown sometimes hangs, in particular if more than one instances of WinAos are running (shared access to files) Felix

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Re: Centralization of configuration
by Paul Reed 13 May '05

13 May '05

> From: Thomas Frey <thomas.frey(a)alumni.ethz.ch> > Subject: Re: Re (2): [Oberon] repair to HTMLDocs.Mod. [Peter wrote...] >> Centralization of configuration of Oberon in Oberon.Text >> was one of its many advantages. Seems that Aos might be >> drifting away from this concept. Ie. Aos.Par, >> AosConfig.XML, Menu.Personal.XML, TextPopups.Text & etc. >> A Devil's Advocate might wonder whether this >> diversification is really beneficial. ... > We are currently trying to move the network configuration from Aos.par > into AosConfig.XML because of new options and possibilities with IP v4 > and v6 that can be better configured in XML than in the simple key/value > scheme of Aos.par. > Personalized items in separate files simplify the update process since > the files can be saved as whole and dont need to be merged manually. (We > encourage our students to update every other day ;-) ) A compromise might be to have a master Par file which "includes", or XLinks, those other files. Then at least, the master file would be a starting point, conceptually complete, and self-explanatory (you'd know what other files to look at). When other parts become stable, you could bring them in instead of XLink-ing them. Just a thought. Paul Reed

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Re (2): [Oberon] repair to HTMLDocs.Mod.
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 12 May '05

12 May '05

Thomas, > The index check will be included ... Thanks. > ... next Bluebottle crazy fresh release. Alluring, although neither the March 12, 2004 nor the Xmas, 2005 release is stable enough to use on this ASUS P2L97 ACPI BIOS Revision 1009, Pentium II 300 MHz. Not one other mention in this list! Nobody has seen such a freeze-up problem? Centralization of configuration of Oberon in Oberon.Text was one of its many advantages. Seems that Aos might be drifting away from this concept. Ie. Aos.Par, AosConfig.XML, Menu.Personal.XML, TextPopups.Text & etc. A Devil's Advocate might wonder whether this diversification is really beneficial. I understand that Aos.Par is not XML; could the Aos.Par be in a comment? Eg. ============================================= <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" standalone="yes"?>   <!DOCTYPE Config [ ... </Config> ============================================= Regards, ... Peter Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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repair to HTMLDocs.Mod.
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 12 May '05

12 May '05

Oberon users, "TRAP 7 Index out of range (PC Native 05.01.2003)" was turning up too often when viewing Web pages. For example "Desktops.OpenDoc http://www.debian.org/" yielded "TRAP 7 Index out of range (PC Native 05.01.2003) HTMLDocs.WriteCharRef PC = 17182" and "Desktops.OpenDoc http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/" yielded "TRAP 7 Index out of range (PC Native 05.01.2003) HTMLDocs.CharRefStr PC = 18458" A little study of HTMLDocs.Mod reveals that such a trap happens from an attempt to evaluate Strings.ISOToOberon[i] with i > 255 while ISOToOberon contains 256 characters. The simple solution is to check the validity of the index before evaluating the array. For characters not available in the system, nul character 0 can be substituted. This doesn't allow us to see the non-english text on http://www.debian.org/ but at least the page can open without a trap. My "repaired" HTMLDocs.Mod is available via Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/oberon.html . You might need to scroll down a little. The commands are there to get the file, Diff it and Compile it. A more general observation. HTMLDocs.Mod recognizes HTML numeric character references for ISO 8859-1, Greek and Math characters. The mapping from numeric character references to Oberon fonts is implemented with three techniques. 1. The mapping to ISO 8859-1 is by evaluating the array ISOToOberon. 2. The mapping to the Greek font is by the Consts GreekCap = "0013 ..." and GreekMin = "0045 ...". 3. The mapping to the Math font is by a long CASE statement. Also, a few HTML character entity names are mapped to fonts by a CASE statement. Incorporating the characters and font for another language, Arabic for example, is non-trivial task. In principle, expansion of ISOToOberon to UnicodeToOberon would allow a simpler mapping of characters to fonts and would make the incorporation of Arabic much simpler. Does this happen in Aos? Thanks, ... Peter Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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Re: [Oberon] WinAos 2.00
by John Drake 09 May '05

09 May '05

--- Felix Friedrich <friedrich(a)gsf.de> wrote: > John, > > >The bad. > >=================== > >For some strange reason the Menu won't come up. > > > >I click on the command: > > > >Configuration.DoCommands > >Aos.Call Win32AosDisplay.Install 1280 1024 ~ (* > open > >display *) > >Aos.Call WindowManager.Install ~ (* Install window > >manager *) > >Aos.Call SkinEngine.Load winxp.skin > >Aos.Call MainMenu.Open ~ > > > >The culprit seems to be "MainMenu.Open". It just > >doesn't do anything. > > When you execute the commands one after the other, > what do you see on the > screen? At first I see a black screen. Then I see a light blue screen and an arrow. Then I see a dark blue screen and the arrow is upside down. Then the upside down arrow goes away and I see a rightside up arrow. > Is your screen large enough for 1280 1024 > resolution? If not, > please try It's set at 1280 x 1024. > Configuration.DoCommands > Aos.Call Win32AosDisplay.Install ~ (* open full > screen display *) > Aos.Call WindowManager.Install ~ (* Install window > manager *) > Aos.Call SkinEngine.Load winxp.skin > Aos.Call MainMenu.Open ~ I tried that and I get the same thing. The menu never opens. > >The ugly > >=================== > >What happened to the Oberon apps such as Leonardo? > >They worked fine in version 1.02 (even if > >installation was a bit painful due to a wierd > >problem in Packages) but by 1.08 they were missing. > >I tried copying them over to 1.08 and 2.00 but > >now Packages "traps" when I try to install > >anything. For me Leonardo is the Oberon > >"killer ap". It's the one pre-installed ap > >that I consistently am able to use for actual > >work. > > > >Incidently, Leonardo doesn't work under the > >latest version of BlueBottle either. It > >starts to work, but then "traps" out. > > I'll incorporate Leonardo into the next release > (which will be available as > soon as first bugs are removed, ca. 2 Weeks). > Compare next email. > > Felix. Cool. Still I wonder what happend with the Packages installer and why it doesn't work right? Regards, John M. Drake __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Current CrazyFresh ISO is broken
by Stefan Salewski 07 May '05

07 May '05

Hello, I was very happy that there now exists an ISO-Image of CrazyFresh AOS/Bluebottle. (8 weeks ago it took me more than one hour to burn boot image with Nero floppy emulation.) But I was not able to install current crazy fresh successful. ZipTool.ExtractAll AosApps.zip terminates with message AOS:TFWallpaper.tar data error (file corrupted), could not extract 217 files extracted, 1 errors First I tried to ignore this error, but system hangs with black screen after trying to boot from hd. I have repeated downloading, burning to aother cd and tried again to install. Same error. Mounted CD within Linux seems to be empty, so I bootet AOS from CD and copied AosApps.zip to a FAT32 partition. After rebooting Linux, I tried to unzip AosApps.zip. It works with Linux, there are much more than 217 files! So AOS ZipTool.ExtractAll seems to be the reason for this troubles. Perhaps size of TFWallpapers.tar is too big or problem is that TFWallpapers.tar is a tar inside a tar-archive. Best regards Stefan Salewski

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Re: [Oberon] BB on IDE3#03
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 06 May '05

06 May '05

Hello Edgar, > When booting with the help of Bootmagic I only get OBE :-( Is this pertinent? Desktops.OpenDoc "http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/betadocu.html" Search to OBE. Probably not but it might help somehow. Regards, ... Peter E. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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BB on IDE3#03
by edgar＠edgarschwarz.de 06 May '05

06 May '05

Hi, I'm back and hope to be active again with Oberon after a break of many months. Meaning to finish my WebDAV stuff. Yesterday I tried to install the current Crazy on IDE3#03 (Secondary slave) IDE1,2 are CDs. It's the first logical partition in an extended at an 4GB offset at the disk. When booting with the help of Bootmagic I only get OBE :-( I think this question already came up sometime. And if there is some information just give me the pointer. Should this boot or do I have to patch the partitions boot block ? I can`t make a boot diskette because the floppy drive is broken :-) BTW, I like the BB Partition Tool. When I boot from the Crazy ISO image I can't access the internet. Any chance to tell the system after booting to use my Realtek LAN which connects to a DSL switch/router ? Cheers, Edgar -- edgar(a)edgarschwarz.de, Running Bluebottle www.edgarschwarz.de Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler ! Albert Einstein www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/ www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/moin/SwOberon

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