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Re: syntax in BB, CP, GPCP and V4 ...
by peter＠easthope.ca 22 Jul '17

22 Jul '17

From: Douglas G Danforth <danforth(a)greenwoodfarm.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:24:11 -0700 > I find it better to group similar modules within a common directory > such as Oberon or V4. That reduces the number of directories needed. So in Blackbox the directory could be "BB" and the module name BBSort? Or Bb and BbSort to allow correct parsing? Does Linz V4 follow the same rules? Thanks, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): Re (2): syntax in BB, CP, GPCP and V4 compared to Oberon-2.
by peter＠easthope.ca 21 Jul '17

21 Jul '17

I've never used V4 or a derivative and need to be more clear about naming. From: Douglas G Danforth <danforth(a)greenwoodfarm.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:08:06 -0700 > The BlacBox naming convention only uses one "." OK. > The module would need to be named "Sort" and placed > in the directory "Oberon/Mod". Appears V4 recognizes directories. > References to any procedure P within Sort would be "OberonSort.P" If the module is Sort, shouldn't the invocation be Sort.P ? Why OberonSort.P? From: SvZyZw== <joerg.straube(a)iaeth.ch> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:35:49 +0200 > Attached the V4 version. Wow. Thanks! > MODULE V4Sort; You suggest all the V4 module names in the wikibook begin with "V4"? Rather than use the context naming? MODULE Sort (* IN V4 *); Reasonable possibility, although a single universal naming scheme has appeal. Seems the file name could also be V4Sort.Mod rather than V4.Sort.Mod. Thanks again, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): syntax in BB, CP, GPCP and V4 compared to Oberon-2.
by peter＠easthope.ca 21 Jul '17

21 Jul '17

From: =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg?= <joerg.straube(a)iaeth.ch> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:35:34 +0200 > I had a look at Sort.Mod. As it imports "Objects" its written in > System3 aka ETH Oberon. It will not compile in V4 aka Linz Oberon ... Thanks Joerg. I've copied Oberon.Sort.Mod to https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/V4.Sort.Mod with an explanation and reference to the mailing list in the discussion page. If anyone can make Sort work in V4 and post a revision in the book, that will be a welcome contribution. Incidentally there is now a Markup procedure in MediaWiki. The output of MediaWiki.Markup * should reproduce color, boldness and italicization appearing identical to the original Oberon Text. Not thoroughly tested yet but the strategy seems better than in MediaWiki.Compile. Boldness and italicization will be useful with the stylistic conventions of V4 and similar systems. In the EO and Oberon contexts, comments aren't italicized. Therefore I anticipate reverting the italicization in Oberon.Sort.Mod. No offense to Hans Klaver intended and thanks for suggesting the additional contexts. The italicization remains in V4.Sort.Mod. Regards, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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syntax in BB, CP, GPCP and V4 compared to Oberon-2.
by peter＠easthope.ca 20 Jul '17

20 Jul '17

>From danforth at greenwoodfarm.com Sun Jan 17 04:30:11 2016 > ... I use BlackBox ... >From danforth at greenwoodfarm.com Wed Jan 20 05:56:29 2016 > A record (in Component Pascal which is a superset of Oberon-2) ... Now that the BB, CP, GPCP and V4 contexts are listed, https://en.wikibooks.org/Oberon#Contexts , I'm interested to shift https://en.wikibooks.org/Oberon/Oberon.Sort.Mod to one of them. Hans Klaver mentioned the convention of italicizing comments and bolding keywords. What about syntax. Which of the four is most similar to Oberon-2? Will Oberon.Sort compile in any of the four without change? Thanks, Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): Re (2): Web-based books and other documents
by peter＠easthope.ca 10 Jul '17

10 Jul '17

> ... thought this through. Thanks, but barely started. Download at least should be automated. > Using Opera's mail client... > not as good as our 90's N-O mailer. Works now in the Oberon subsystem in A2 and in UnixAos. Regards, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): Web-based books and other documents
by peter＠easthope.ca 10 Jul '17

10 Jul '17

Further thoughts ... From: Andreas Pirklbauer <andreas_pirklbauer(a)yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 13:46:26 +0000 > I agree that some of these examples are impressive and also seem to be visu= > ally more appealing than a Wiki book. But I'm not familiar with any of thos= > e publication tools in great detail, so I can't really assess the relative = > merits. The projects cited by Wojciech represent the dedicated and extensive work of individuals or small groups of authorities. For some or most of these people the work is a significant part of their career. A wikibook is similar but with important differences. Editing isn't restricted to "project owners". Editors cover the spectrum from highly qualified, such as Andreas, to those really only qualified to do formatting and typographical corrections, such as me. You'd think this might lead to chaos but it works fairly well in the long term. In case someone causes too much trouble, there are provisions for blocking editorial access. The wikibook isn't ideal but allows a document to develop without too much burden on any individual. At least some aesthetic nicities are possible in the wikibook. Just requires someone with the ability and time to create them. Another difference is lifespan. The Web sites cited by Wojciech are likely to vanish when the owner retires or dies or the developer group dissolves. I'll speculate that the Wikipedia and the better Wikibooks will survive beyond the life of Jimmy Wales. Meanwhile the WikiMedia projects benefit many readers. > I'll probably just create a pdf version, together with the source, and leav= > e it to others to publish the text on a platform of their choosing. The "book" can accomodate that. For example, I can create an empty page with a heading such as "Class Methods Vs. Procedure variables in Records". If you register an account in your name and paste the text there, the page history will always show that you contibuted the original text. If you want an essay to be preserved without editing I can try submitting it to WkiMedia Commons. In that case the Foundation will email you a request to allow publication under their standard copyright. Attribution will remain to your name of course. Regards, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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pcreceive.sh not working for files that are multiples of 255
by Andreas Pirklbauer 03 Jul '17

03 Jul '17

When using the Oberon emulator on a host system (e.g., Mac), the command ./pcreceive filename does not seem to work for files whose file size is a multiple of 255. Has anyone else noticed this issue? It looks like either pclink.c in the emulator or PCLink.Mod on the Oberon system needs to be corrected.

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Help: Display Init Strings for Native Oberon
by Treutwein Bernhard 03 Jul '17

03 Jul '17

Does anybody remember how to create display Init Strings for Native Oberon? Background: I recently dumped my old CRT and replaced it with a TFT, my old NO installation switches the S3 Trio display via an Init string to 90 Hz refresh Rate, which the TFT does not understand. Although I remember, how to set the boot variables temprarily (see also: http://www.ethoberon.ethz.ch/native/WebConfig.html) I do not remember how to create these crude Init strings. regards -- Bernhard

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Re (2): Web-based books and other documents
by peter＠easthope.ca 02 Jul '17

02 Jul '17

From: Andreas Pirklbauer <andreas_pirklbauer(a)yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 13:46:26 +0000 > I'll probably just create a pdf version, together with the source, and leav= > e it to others to publish the text on a platform of their choosing. Copyright can become an obstacle. If the contribution is submitted via a third party such as me, WikiMedia will ask you for release under one of the licenses. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Policies_and_guidelines If that fails, the contribution will disapear quickly. If you submit directly, no such obstacle. Simpler for everyone. Regards, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): Re (2): Class Methods Vs. Procedure variables in Records
by peter＠easthope.ca 02 Jul '17

02 Jul '17

From: "Skulski, Wojciech" <skulski(a)pas.rochester.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 17:03:02 +0000 > I just posted the web pointers to alternatives. Ok, I've looked. http://readthedocs.org/ was unavailable when I tried. Each of the following is maintained by an authority or team of authorities. https://www.sphinx-doc.org/ Sphinx is written, maintained and documented by eleven authors and co-maintainers and by several contributors. https://scipy.org/ Run by "SciPy Developers". Names not divulged. http://web.mit.edu/music21/ Run by Michael Scott Cuthbert, Principal Investigator. Hosted by MIT. No authority or team of authorities has volunteered to maintain sources and documentation for Oberon. > These seem more complex than the wikibook, but also the result > looks better IMHO. Sorry to say, I can't do any better at present and don't expect to have more time to spare in the future. Personality is a significant factor in participation in a wiki. Some personalities are very fussy about who they collaborate with. Some personalities can't bear to contribute at risk of seeing their edit reverted or words changed. That's human nature. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 Tel: +1 360 639 0202 Pender Is.: +1 250 629 3757 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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