January 2005 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Bluebottle WindowManager
by dan.parnete＠fastwebnet.it 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

Hello, I'm trying to port the new (Xmas) Bluebottle user interface on WinAos, with some success. But now I have to face the WindowManager problem. The source of this module is not present in the distribution. The WinAos Obx version fails on runtime with this message: WindowManager incompatible with AosPlugins/Registry The Bluebottle one, traps on runtime with: TRAP 1 WITH guard failed in thread WinMain Module: WindowManager at PC = 21020 Module: AosInputs at PC = 1285 Module: Win32AosDisplay at PC = 3921 Module: Win32AosDisplay at PC = 7266 Module: Win32AosDisplay at PC = 7403 Module: Win32AosDisplay at PC = 131 At this point I need some advise from Thomas. Haw can I resolve this mess? Is it possible to have the module source? Is it any other way to have a compiled Obx based on my version of modules? Thanks, Dan Parnete

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PC compiler in WinAos
by Dan Parnete 22 Jan '05

22 Jan '05

Hello, I'm trying to use the parallel compiler in WinAos (PC.Compile \s). The cursor doesn't move on error position. If I'm using the \f option and select the pos number, the cursor goes at the begining of the file. I have tried it even in BB Oberon and it makes the same. Is it any other way to send the cursor at the error position? I'm disperately trying to port recent version of BB GUI modules on WinAos, and thanks to intensive use of type ANY, I need the PC compiler. I am not good for that job, and I don't know exactly where to start from, but the actual version is too old, and probably Felix has not enough time and motivation to do it. Or he prepare a big surprise for as? Thanks, Dan Parnete

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# Add "~" at end of this text, . . .
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

Apologies for the earlier misdirected message. ethz># Add "~" at end of this text, . . . . . . ethz># ~ uncomment this line when using Partitions.SetConfig End-of-text could or should have the same effect as "~" when arguments of a command are processed. It works in some cases in Oberon / PC Native 05.01.2003. Is there an argument against this being a general principle? Thanks, ... Peter E. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/ --- start of oberon mail --- ?B@h7`d`0>dgFGiVfb:gH2CG>eajFGJDgBW?H1X0OZH;[LO[KSY<MiD7[K0n26`7\0h36060307h C5KIU3QY;0`e60Jj0HIY;Je[?7983:I9;85YO5983;M1IIM;I1iK=;8Y;JCkL19M;;NY;;1Y;1Y; 1Y;K88198M9822KHIY;Je3m;8[[K7kKKKK;[KY;8Y;JCS\=]^]\Pl^X]\^5TeM^Ye]W5T@=\bU^Y U^Ym]^M^^LZUU^3m]^e\Ym\=\Q5e]T]U_e\]T^U5_d5TSm]eU]T5T_E^PL^Xm]eU]T9J3[M;;8Y; J;;8WKHKKI1II=[I;kHY;83kL1Y8m[8NGdF6KHHUkI[KK;[K>G@nFc2b`2banffff`jFb2b`:gb2 Bh:gg>fb>giFFbjB@2bTBG@Ngg:ge>G@VFg2binffFF@>f`>gb>g6VFg2bW:fb:71i;19D7:8MJH YKJ]KI19<[Y;QI<MY<Q9<WY;198CjL19MAKIUKI1IHM;83[L?KM@@f``Nf`VFg>Gj2BjR6:fbVFg NF@6F@Nfbjfb:g`bF@2GiVFg>fd2GfFfOf`6BEd6Fg^fibB@2B@22000MY;M98QJIYKIU;8;Z;KH 319819811A;MY;Lei;OiH3[LMkKY[;QKHY;JO;KOkIc[;[[H7[;7KHOI3E0%

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# Add "~" at end of this text, . . .
by shark＠gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

>From Aos.Par, ethz> # Add "~" at end of this text, so that SetConfig can read its parameters directly here. . . . ethz> #~ uncomment this line when using Partitions.SetConfig Counter-intuitive. Would seem reasonable and be simpler for end-of-text to produce the same effect as ~ where argument processing is involved. In PC Native 05.01.2003 this works in some cases; not all. Is there an argument against making this work in general? Thanks, Peter E. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/

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Re: Oberon Digest, Vol 16, Issue 13
by Soren Renner 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

New Renderer Demo There is a new demo (srRay.Arc) on the Bluebottle ftp site. sr

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Request for Specs
by Soren Renner 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

hail to all i have been doing a few little things to the renderer. minor things, but they make a difference: the mousewheel now works for navigation, and a new diffuse shader looks really good. i'll send round a new demo soon. what i would like to know: who are you that run bluebottle, and especially, how fast are your machines? because the dev box is fairly fast (1.7 ghz athlon supposedly equivalent to a 2.1 ghz intel chip), and you would want something at least this fast. especially you, mr drake, how fast is your best bluebottle box? will you chip in on a networked game? i'd lean toward a navigable puzzle. a simple shooter would work but maybe not a "twitch" shooter as the framerate isn't twitchy-fast. i saw a game called xwelltris on linux that inspired me this week. oh, i don't have sound working, i should try it. does anybody have a half height sound card that'll work? i'll take it by mail without complaint. "now is the next time, now sing, melismatic automaton in microtonal diapason" [from 'sloot', trans. Emmet Silverman] sr

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syntax for authentication
by shark 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

John Drake & others, My authentication settings are thus. NetSystem.SetUser dialup:peter:xxxxxx@GulfNet ftp:peter:xxxxxx@carnot... ftp:peter:xxxxxx@137... ftp:peter:xxxxxx@192...a ftp:peter:xxxxxx@192...b pop:peasthope:xxxxxx@gulfnet... ssh:peter:xxxxxx@137... ssh:root:xxxxxx@137... ssh:peter:xxxxxx@192... ssh:root:xxxxxx@192... ~ jmd> Another possibility would be to add the separate commands: NetSystem.SetUserID NetSystem.SetPassword In that case I have this. NetSystem.SetUserID dialup:peter@GulfNet ftp:peter@carnot... ftp:peter@137... ftp:peter@192...a ftp:peter@192...b pop:peasthope@gulfnet... ssh:peter@137... ssh:root@137... ssh:peter@192... ssh:root@192... ~ NetSystem.SetUserPassword dialup:xxxxxx$@GulfNet ftp:xxxxxx@carnot... ftp:xxxxxx@137... ftp:xxxxxx@192...a ftp:xxxxxx@192...b pop:xxxxxx@gulfnet... ssh:xxxxxx@137... ssh:xxxxxx@137... ssh:xxxxxx@192... ssh:xxxxxx@192... ~ There are two problems. First, the reader is subject to confusion. S/he needs to read a UserID setting and then look for the corresponding Password setting. Secondly, amibiguity exists. The user can be authenticated to more than one UserID on one service. Which password associates with a UserID? NetSystem.SetUser takes an arbitrary number of arguments. Each argument has four subarguments separated by :, : and @. Ie. ServiceType:UserID:Password@ServiceName The subarguments could be separated with blanks but the present syntax helps to detect a faulty argument such as an omitted SerivceName. What if the password contains a blank? Encoding is still needed. The extant syntax is not so bad and the decoding is already implemented in HyperDocs.UnESC. All that is needed is to put it to work properly in NetSystem. In my priorities, documentation will always preceed code. A spare time documentation project spanning a couple of years is almost complete. After that and after the DNS negotiation works in PPP I can tackle this. If someone else can do it sooner, good. While we are discussing this, Edgar, your Web site offers PPP 1.2.0. Do you have a later release? If so, please let me know a URI. Thanks, Peter E.

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[BlueBottle] Thorn and FtpFS
by Aubrey McIntosh 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Soren Renner wrote: > Let me run something up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes... > > I announce... Thorn! > > I was looking at Thomas Leonard's "Zero-Install" for Linux and wishing we= > had an equivalent in Bluebottle. Then I realized that we almost have it = > already. Doesn't RFS provide a remote filesystem that looks just like a l= > ocal one?=20 Will the Ftp transparent file system mentioned in section 2.6 of AosSetup.Text help? It is not symmetric, you only "get" and never "put." I never did find documentation for RFS, so I implemented FTP. If someone has a URL, post it and I'll eventually read up on it. You can download the file ftp://FtpFS.Dsk from gaea.vima.austin.tx.us, with username "booter" and your email as a password. This bootable floppy image should be able to boot a machine across the net from my machine. Please edit the startup environment so that your login password is authentic. Another file, ftp://AosFtpFS.Tool contains some language that I am editing, but which may nonetheless be useful. (Note to Thomas, I just did a "dir FtpFS.Dsk" with the configuration I emailed to you, and trapped the Ftp Server. I shortened the volume name to be just "Rd:" and things worked ok on 1 test.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBQerLRAKlSw8yssF7EQIoSACgvOGqRjjSbiDvcYyBpql0NZSXjakAoL1z 8EGW0N263Aa2PVx96djR2tel =9wBg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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And Not Through Eastern Windows Only . . .
by Soren Renner 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Let me run something up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes... I announce... Thorn! I was looking at Thomas Leonard's "Zero-Install" for Linux and wishing we had an equivalent in Bluebottle. Then I realized that we almost have it already. Doesn't RFS provide a remote filesystem that looks just like a local one? 1. User "X" boots Bluebottle from CD. 2. If a DHCP connection to the Internet is made, the Thorn filesystem is automatically mounted via RFS. 3. Icons appear somewhere, each representing an "application": e.g. a raytracing demo. 4. User X clicks on the raytracing demo icon. 5. The system performs a scriped action: in this case, "Builder.Compile srBase.Mod srVoxel.Mod . . . ~ 6. Since these files do not exist locally, they are read off the Thorn filesystem (RFS server) and compiled: the object code goes to RAM: 7. A second scripted action is performed: "srRender.go" 8. User X is baffled and alienated by an unfamiliar form of computer graphics, All that has to be added to the release CD is code to mount Thorn via RFS and download the icons and scripts. That done, anyone can write an application or demo for Bluebottle and package it by moving the files to Thorn and adding an icon and a script. If Bluebottle apps were huge it might be worthwhile to have a local persistent cache for downloaded files. "thorn" is a character representing the voiced th-sound in Old English. "Thorn" is short for "Thero-Inthtall". sr

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Re: Oberon Digest, Vol 16, Issue 12
by Soren Renner 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

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