April 2016 - Oberon - mailman3.inf.ethz.ch

Re (2): On Oberon Sources
by peter＠easthope.ca 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

From: Treutwein Bernhard <Bernhard.Treutwein(a)Verwaltung.Uni-Muenchen.DE> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:28:03 +0000 > ... guy sitting near you (as for example > in a students lab) who can and will answer ... Yes. In a student lab little details move by diffusion. For a solitary student, a little detail is an obstacle. ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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On Oberon Sources
by Srinivas Nayak 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

The biggest confusion right now I have is, why Oberon didn't use simple ascii text files? None of Oberon files are open-able as plain ascii file! Which extension in file name says that the file is a plain ascii file? With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/

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ET.StoreAscii Native.Tool.txt
by Srinivas Nayak 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

Dear All, ET.StoreAscii works. I could create ABC.Mod.txt file. However, I am not able to save a .Tool file as ascii file. I was interested to save Native.Tool file as Native.Tool.txt. So that I can read Native.Tool using Linux editors. Because it is too big and reading it in Oberon is right now little painful for me like a novice. I am using OLR. How can I save Native.Tool file as Native.Tool.txt? [EditTools.StoreAscii doesn't work. Not on .Mod file, not on .Tool file.] With thanks and best regards, Yours sincerely, Srinivas Nayak Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/ Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/

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Re: [Oberon] Compiling PC Native Oberon from scratch.
by Treutwein Bernhard 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

>Oops > >>>Is there a document describing the compilation steps? > >I finally found it: > >It is Native.Tool contained in SystemB.zip but I do not understand everything >in it. > Sorry, wrong Archive: Native.Tool is in Build.zip There is no SystemB.zip only SourceB.zip, System.zip and Build.zip. -- Bernhard

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Re (2): ET.
by peter＠easthope.ca 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

From: Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001(a)gmail.com>, Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:52:14 +0530 > I saw it uses .Store, that means System.Store. In the ET viewer, .Store is an abbreviation of ET.Store; not System.Store. According to my understanding, Pieter M. made the abbreviations to fit the commands into the menu bar. > That may mean System.Store stores plain ascii text to a file, I've never studied System thoroughly and can't say what exactly System.Store does. > Edit.Store stores formatted text to a file. Yes, Edit.Store stores Oberon (formatted) text. If you are working in Oberon the terms "Oberon text" or "text" suffice without "formatted". In Oberon, Hex will display the header. Hex.Open System.Tool Incidentally, you mentioned that you have Linux available. Try to open an Oberon text file with gedit and with leafpad. gedit will show the Oberon header in red and human readable text beyond. Leafpad will show almost nothing. > At least it makes sense that ET was available initially in > Oberon0 to support plain ascii text. Misconception. Edit is the original editor. ET is an extension adding desirable features. Startup or booting doesn't require ASCII text. It is used by some language syntaxes and protocols. HTML for example. The description of booting on this page might help a little. http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/BootManager Unfortunately it doesn't explain how Oberon.Text is used to set fundamental configuration. Other ETH pages might be more helpful but I can't find them at present. > I see that Appendix E in Install.Tool in Oberon0.Dsk says, > if you get a trap, do ET.StoreAscii and send the error report ... Plain ASCII is allowed in an email message body. The header of an Oberon text and the hidden terms specifying fonts, colors & etc. will require encoding or attaching. Given that ASCII suffices to express the trap, it is used. > ... P. Muller. You will see his name or initials on many of the modules. As Peter M. said, P.J. Muller withdrawing from participation is a loss for us. Signing off for today, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): On Oberon Sources
by peter＠easthope.ca 03 Apr '16

03 Apr '16

From: Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 21:15:59 +0530 > But how come Oberon isn't able to create a plain ascii file directly? It can. ET.{Open,Store}Ascii was covered in a message from Peter M. and another from me sent an hour or two earlier. Both messages are in the ethz.ch archive. Regards, ... Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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by peter＠easthope.ca 03 Apr '16

03 Apr '16

From: Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 21:08:38 +0530 > But didn't dare to click on any command. You need to lose that fear. If you break something, recovery is easy. Run the system under a hypervisor and recovery is very easy. Also, follow the advice to build the fresh system in a second volume. If it fails to boot, just boot again from the primary volume and fix the error. (Multiple volumes courtesy of Pieter M.? Boot Manager courtesy of Andreas F. Thanks!) That way there is no risk of reinstallation. When you are convinced that the fresh system is OK, copy it to the primary volume. Some of these notes might help. http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/Installation#toc23 I'll add the other zips you mentioned. > ... before clicking on Release.Build? Try it before getting Build.zip and SourceB.zip. I expect nothing worse than an error message. You will see what data is absent. Add and try again. > What is there in ... System.zip? Retrieve it and click here ==> ZipTool.Directory \d System.zip ~ P.s. I wrote, > If running under a hypervisor, just restart the virtual machine. I should have said, If you crash the system on a hypervisor, restart it. If you break the system on a hypervisor, rebuild or reinstall it. If you work with two volumes (or parts) as mentioned above, breaking the primary system is almost impossible. Regards, ... P. Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): Re (2): Global font change on OLR
by peter＠easthope.ca 03 Apr '16

03 Apr '16

From: Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 21:08:38 +0530 > But didn't dare to click on any command. You need to lose that fear. If you break something, recovery is easy. Run the system under a hypervisor and recovery is very easy. Also, follow the advice to build the fresh system in a second volume. If it fails to boot, just boot again from the primary volume and fix the error. (Multiple volumes courtesy of Pieter M.? Boot Manager courtesy of Andreas F. Thanks!) That way there is no risk of reinstallation. When you are convinced that the fresh system is OK, copy it to the primary volume. Some of these notes might help. http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/Installation#toc23 I'll add the other zips you mentioned. > ... before clicking on Release.Build? Try it before getting Build.zip and SourceB.zip. I expect nothing worse than an error message. You will see what data is absent. Add and try again. > What is there in ... System.zip? Retrieve it and click here ==> ZipTool.Directory \d System.zip ~ P.s. I wrote, > If running under a hypervisor, just restart the virtual machine. I should have said, If you crash the system on a hypervisor, restart it. If you break the system on a hypervisor, rebuild or reinstall it. If you work with two volumes (or parts) as mentioned above, breaking the primary system is almost impossible. Regards, ... P. Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): On Oberon Sources
by peter＠easthope.ca 03 Apr '16

03 Apr '16

Srinivas, ET usage obsoletes Edit usage. From: Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001(a)gmail.com>, 3 Apr 2016, at 16:07, > I clicked Edit.Open. Please ET.Open Test . > Typed something into it. Again. > Then added a filename at viewer's title. "Test" is there already. > Then clicked System.Store. In the menu bar change ET.Store to ET.StoreAscii . Then MM click on that. Then MM on System.Close. > Opened in Linux. Again. Right now? Also in Oberon, ET.OpenAscii Test, change the content, ET.StoreAscii again. If Gadgets is installed, a viewer opened with ET.Open or System.Open should have the popup menu containing a bunch of useful commands. Regards, ... P. Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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Re (2): Global font change on OLR
by peter＠easthope.ca 03 Apr '16

03 Apr '16

From: Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001(a)gmail.com>, Sun, 3 Apr 2016 20:18:21 +0530 > I need to know (1) how to build it. As Bernhard indicated, Native.Tool is the key. Try to work with it; soon you will be rebuilding the system like clockwork. Did you try a MM click on Release.Build? The worst that can happen is a broken software. If running directly on a PC, reinstall. If running under a hypervisor, just restart the virtual machine. Painless! Regards, ... P. Lyall E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://easthope.ca/Peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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